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Master_Zhuge...
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posted July 04, 2004 10:51 PM |
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What's your dream army?
What is your dream army? Fill your 7 slots with 1-7th lvl creatures from any town. But no two creatures from the same lvl! Assum that morale is not a factor.
Mine would be
Lvl 1: Master Gremlins. Excellent meatshields, and can pack a wallop when you have 500 of them. And they're ranged, so they can attack right away.
Lvl 2: Marksmen. What can I say? The two-shot bonus is very useful.
Lvl 3: Grand Elves. Fast, strong, not that expensive, and have the two-shot bonus. Great overall unit.
Lvl 4: Archmagi. It's a hard decision between the Archmagi and Vampire Lords. On one hand, the Archmagi helps conserve spel points, and is a pretty tough archer. On the other hand, the vampire Lords, with their no retaliatio and suck life bonus, once you get to a point where they do a certain amount of damage,they become invincible.
Lvl 5: Mighty Gorgan hands down. Tough, okay speed, and their Death Glare special. Although Zealots are pretty good too....meh..
Lvl 6: Dread Knights. Arguably the greatest 6th lvl units in thegame, they have great speed, great strength, and great bonuses, like the curse and the double dmg strike thing. The curse and the double damage saved me in countless situations.
Lvl 7: Have to have those Archangels. Their speed guarentees that I always go first, and it is obvious that they are the strongest lvl 7 unit in the game. The resurrect allies also don't hurt. One thing I love to do is caste expert Haste on my first turn, so that everyone goes before teh enemy.
What's your dream team?
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Maniak
Adventuring Hero
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posted July 04, 2004 10:58 PM |
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well, call me a fool, but your dream army is a very weak one... with 2 meleer, 1 flyer and 4 archers you expose yourself to the wrath of just about any army in the game... ur shooters are easy to neutralize cuz they have low health and mostly are bad in melee fights(cept magi)... But also because you lack of troops to defend them.. With AA, u get 1st move... OK, but 2nd move will often go to the ennemy and most of the time, fliers are fast... fast enough to tear 4 of your troops, leaving u with the excellent mighty gorgon, the AA which can ressurect something and the very good dread knights...
My army will be posted...
Ooh and I forgot, AA are not the best level 7 in the game... there are no bets level 7, they all have a use.
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Master_Zhuge...
Hired Hero
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posted July 04, 2004 11:02 PM |
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Eh...?
As i said before, what I like to do is cast a expert haste right at the beginning, so I can make sure that most of my units go first.
And I don't worry too much about units neutralizing my archers. Almost always, the enemy never gets close to my archers, even when I only have a few of them. Meh, but the army is mainly because of my love ar ranged units, which springs from my love of conserving troops...-_-
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maniak
Adventuring Hero
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posted July 04, 2004 11:14 PM |
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I am sorry to burst your bubble, but casting mass haste when u know that ur second unit will have 14 of speed and that ur opponent will get to move before that unit is a very bad choice, specially since if ur dread knights move 2nd, u will only wait with them; thus giving your opponent the chance to mass slow u(negating totally the effect of ur mass haste before u could even use it, giving him the innitiative in the following round, allowing him to cast(who knows) mass haste and thus being able to attack u with his 7 units before ur ArchAngels can even get their 2nd move... Yes having archers is a very good thing, but since archers usually have melee penalty, lower health and lower defence, so it makes them easier to kill than most units.
As for my dream army, its quite hard to find one since the ones present fit so well together.
I guess,
Centaur Captain
Wolf Raider
Grand Elves
Vampire Lords
Power Lich
Efreet Sultan
Ancient Behemoth(or any other level 7)
This army's main weakness is surely health... with 2 flyers and 2 shooters; it leaves the place for level 1, 2 and 7 meleers and only level 1 and 7 have respectable health. The other weakness is the lack of GREAT speed, speed 13 being the best, but speed 7 being the lowest sort of counter balance it.
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Master_Zhuge...
Hired Hero
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posted July 04, 2004 11:21 PM |
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You know, good point...never though of that...-_-
Ah well. There goes my bubble...>.>
But still I like archers >.<
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Maniak
Adventuring Hero
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posted July 04, 2004 11:37 PM |
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I never said archers sucked, They are in fact great units, but I just think that if they are in too great number they make ur army weaker... but if they are in right number they greatly increase ur army's strength... Because they give u both the choice to stand back or to rush in... having strong meleers give u the possibility to defend yourself against rushs...
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Eran
Hired Hero
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posted July 05, 2004 12:06 AM |
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lvl1 - centaur captains
lvl2 - wolf raiders
lvl3 - grand elfs
lvl4 - cruasders
lvl5 - mighty moo
lvl6 - dread night
lvl7 - arch angel (no choise its pointell if u pick lvl7 creature that aint fast enough)
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Shirastro
Famous Hero
Happy happy joy joy
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posted July 05, 2004 03:33 AM |
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Here's my 0.02$:
Centaur
Storm Elementals (i edited this after woocks post couse i forgot about them...how silly of me)
Elf (or Evil eye)
Vampire
Dendroid
Sexual Maniac.....ermmm Psych E. (or death knight)
Phoenix
Maybe they are not the strongest around but i think they would work great together, with two great range units, one strong units to defend them (dendroids) and 3 highy mobile units that are great all around.
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Asmodean
Responsible
Supreme Hero
Heroine at the weekend.
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posted July 05, 2004 04:17 AM |
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Oooooh lets see. Here goes:
1. Sprites - fast, mobile, no retaliation
2. Wolf Riders - attack twice
3. Grand ELves - shoot twice
4. Vampire Lords - life drain
5. Mighty Gorgons - 'Nuff said
6. Death Knights - Double Death Blow, Curse, no arguments.
7. Archangels - Ressurect my Mighty Moos!
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To err is human, to arr is pirate.
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Lord_Woock
Honorable
Undefeatable Hero
Daddy Cool with a $90 smile
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posted July 05, 2004 03:12 PM |
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1. skeletons (asuming that I get necromancy skill)
2. storm elementals (good enough to be lv3)
3. grand elves (damn good shooters)
4. vampire lords (untouchable in high numbers)
5. mighty gorgons (hmm hmm wonder why)
6. naga queens (no comment)
7. phoenixes (double growth and 21 speed rock the house)
This ballanced lineup (3 melee, 2 shooters, 2 fliers) grants me the initiative and advantage in the numbers (no telling me you can have more lev1 and 7). The only problem is the somewhat large speed gap after the phoenixes.
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Yolk and God bless.
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My buddy's doing a webcomic and would certainly appreciate it if you checked it out!
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Shai-Hulud
Known Hero
Sicomor
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posted July 05, 2004 03:22 PM |
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Well... it would be like this:
lvl1:Centaurs Captains--> the best 1st lvl untis...speed,hit points and looking kool
lvl2:Lizerdmen--> Definitely like those. Not bad with their hi points and they are like insane asrchers
lvl3:Elves-->Double attack, great archers
lvl4 gre Magi--> Have thi bigest number of hit points for there lvl and can cast bloodlust to.
lvl5:Crazy cows-->They are so mean with that death gaze
lvl6:Naga Quens-->like that no retalition and many HP
lvl7:Guess what...it's so hard---Hint look at my avatar
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viking
Known Hero
Rock'n'Roll
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posted July 05, 2004 03:32 PM |
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Quote:
lvl7:Guess what...it's so hard---Hint look at my avatar
Chaos hydras?
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One powerful hero is good, two is better
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Shirastro
Famous Hero
Happy happy joy joy
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posted July 05, 2004 06:41 PM |
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Congratulations you won 1.000.000$ 
Anyway Shai-Hulud, i dont know what HOMM 3 did you played but lisardmen are probaly the worst archers around and the worst 2 level unit.....explain?!?!
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Lord_Woock
Honorable
Undefeatable Hero
Daddy Cool with a $90 smile
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posted July 05, 2004 06:44 PM |
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In equal numbers, lizard warriors beat marksmen. They have high HP and defense compared to the other two lev2 shooters and definetely are better than gogsies.
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Yolk and God bless.
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My buddy's doing a webcomic and would certainly appreciate it if you checked it out!
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Shirastro
Famous Hero
Happy happy joy joy
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posted July 05, 2004 06:48 PM |
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Well ok they are beter than gogs but i would hardly put them on the TOML for the 2 level unit.
Btw are you sure they beat marksmen on equal number? Never tested it, but that sounds strange.
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Le_Sorcier
Tavern Dweller
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posted July 05, 2004 07:31 PM |
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Now it's time for my types:
Lvl.1: Halberdiers - their toughness and good stats decided
Lvl.2: Storm Elementars, of course 
Lvl.3: Cerberi - good speed, no enemy counterattack, three-head attack. Just need blessing
Lvl.4: Archmagi.
Lvl.5: Mighty Gorgons - Death Stare just rules!
Lvl.6: Dread Knights - their damage range might be huge, but double attack, 120 HP-s and good speed decided here
Lvl.7: Ancient Behemoths - for 300 HP-s and the defence-reducing special. They are great for tearing enemy lvl.7-s apart Phoenixes could fit here also, for their great speed...
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Maniak
Adventuring Hero
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posted July 05, 2004 07:34 PM |
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I don't know if marksmen lose to lizard warriors... But one thing is sure, Lizard warriors are probably the most underestimated(not the best) level 2 unit...
Let's see some stats...
15 health, places them 4th, after Battle dwarfs, Zombies and Obsidian Gargoyle.
2-5 dmg, only beaten by marskmen and wolf raider(both 2 strikes)
5-7 (attack-defense), merely in the average
And you look at their situation... The only archer in Fortress, a town with lots of close combat units... You'd be stupid to attack those level 2 archers when other units can hurt u much more. So you attack the other units, always leaving the lizard warriors able to do their thing.
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angelito
Honorable
Undefeatable Hero
proud father of a princess
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posted July 05, 2004 07:57 PM |
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Lord_Woock
Honorable
Undefeatable Hero
Daddy Cool with a $90 smile
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posted July 05, 2004 08:19 PM |
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And here is a link to get rid of any doubts regarding marksmen vs lizardmen.
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Yolk and God bless.
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My buddy's doing a webcomic and would certainly appreciate it if you checked it out!
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Shai-Hulud
Known Hero
Sicomor
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posted July 05, 2004 08:37 PM |
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It seems that you got your answer Shihastro... Now I'm playing with fortress for a long time and I know from my experience that lizardmen are very tough.Also from what maniak said I think that they are very good. Also the fact that they are beaten only by marksmen and wolfriders doesn't seems to be a problem for the simple reason that i'm not seeing this configuration as the best troop, i'm seeing it in combination with other troops. I really wiuldn't take marksmen, because they die so easily(and as there numbers decrease, there stenght also but very fast--> due to their ability to strike twice). While having lots of melee troops, they can be defended.
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~~~Azzy~~~
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