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EnergyZ
Legendary Hero
President of MM Wiki
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posted February 28, 2016 07:22 PM |
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Elvin
Admirable
Omnipresent Hero
Endless Revival
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posted February 28, 2016 07:49 PM |
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I assume, same reason that winds of war maps looked unfinished. The boat was sinking.
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Gryphs
Supreme Hero
The Clever Title
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posted February 28, 2016 09:41 PM |
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Edited by Gryphs at 21:42, 28 Feb 2016.
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Lol, more than just the maps looked unfinished in that horrid expansion.
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natalka
Supreme Hero
Bad-mannered
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posted February 29, 2016 06:29 PM |
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As fas as I am informed all the campaign maps, factions, portraits, custom adventure map objects were done only by Marzhin. That is quite a lot of work tbh.
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Karmakeld
Responsible
Supreme Hero
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posted February 29, 2016 06:48 PM |
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I think He might Be refering to the Winds of War Expansion, and not the Unity campaign.
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toannghe1997
Tavern Dweller
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posted March 01, 2016 04:11 PM |
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Since most people don't realize this fatal mistake Limbic made, I made an entire video about it: [url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oc0L5OkSR4Y[/url]
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Antalyan
Promising
Supreme Hero
H7 Forever
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posted March 01, 2016 05:09 PM |
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natalka said:
As fas as I am informed all the campaign maps, factions, portraits, custom adventure map objects were done only by Marzhin. That is quite a lot of work tbh.
I guess you cannot tell us what was whole Limbic team working on whole 3 moths ...
The amount of changes in 1.7 patch was more than disappointing.
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LizardWarrior
Honorable
Legendary Hero
the reckoning is at hand
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posted March 01, 2016 06:08 PM |
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toannghe1997 said:
Since most people don't realize this fatal mistake Limbic made, I made an entire video about it: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oc0L5OkSR4Y
epic  
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Stevie
Responsible
Undefeatable Hero
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posted March 01, 2016 06:17 PM |
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Gryphs
Supreme Hero
The Clever Title
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posted March 01, 2016 09:48 PM |
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Edited by Gryphs at 21:49, 01 Mar 2016.
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Ashan is already a parody of good fantasy worlds.
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GenyaArikado
Bad-mannered
Supreme Hero
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posted March 02, 2016 12:20 AM |
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And this amount of circle jerking makes this forum is a parody of good gay porn sites.
I hope that if this gets and xpack or that if we get an H8 after Vivendi buys Ubi they dont dont Axeoth stories. I'm not interesting in a world whose story died in 2002
"HUR DUR OLD UNIVERSE HAD UNIQUE STORY IT HAD ALIENS!" It's not 1995 anymore and literally all the settings with aliens did it better than M&M (Sacred, Warhammer, Warcraft, etc)
"HUR DUR IT WAS UNIQUE AND CREATIVE!" It's a snowing DnD ripoff and it will ever be, deal with it.
"HUR DUR ASHAN IS GENERIC" Find me the order obsessed spider worshipping buddhist inspired necromancers and then we'll talk
"HUR DUR ASHAN LORE IMPACTS 2 MUCH THE GAMEPLAY" Your thick skulls still dont grasp that lore is shaped around whatever gameplay changes they wanna do? The only "set in stone" stuff are the things that have a below 0 chance of happening like Demons and non-fallen Angels in the same lineup
"HUR DUR DISCIPLES 3, CIV BEYOND EARTH AND AOW3 ARE BETTER" The first had a snow tier release and it two xpacks to fix, the second managed to reach "some nice stuff but still blander than tofu" even after the xpack and the third took over a decade to come out.
The game flopped hardcore because it was poorly done, the setting is not to blame for that and returning to 1995 wont make it better. Worse things have been saved or at least made decent as Dis3 and CivBE show.
I hope that quantico or w.e. can make his HoMM ripoff and it's snowING GOOD so for once you dont have vapid argument.
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Elvin
Admirable
Omnipresent Hero
Endless Revival
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posted March 02, 2016 12:48 AM |
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That gay parody thing just sounded distasteful.
About the Axeoth stories, I don't see your problem? I mean they are indisputably better than what Ashan can offer. Unless you prefer the newer and trashier ones? Come on.
As for the lore argument, I disagree. It is pointlessly restrictive when it should have been adaptable. Gameplay can change from one game to the next as can lineups. But the lore hinders instead of support such changes, requiring a re-write or some mind-bending.
Liches can never ever get skeletal faces because Ashan? Bent rule after fanrage. Minos will always have pre-emptive strike because emblematic ability in Ashan? Why? Warlocks are inferno heroes because Ashan? Again, why? There can be no swamp faction because Ashan? Another incidentally revoked rule after people's criticicm.
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Datapack
Famous Hero
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posted March 02, 2016 01:35 AM |
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GenyaArikado said:
Worse things have been saved or at least made decent as Dis3 and CivBE show.
lol what
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GenyaArikado
Bad-mannered
Supreme Hero
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posted March 02, 2016 03:06 AM |
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Elvin said:
That gay parody thing just sounded distasteful.
About the Axeoth stories, I don't see your problem? I mean they are indisputably better than what Ashan can offer. Unless you prefer the newer and trashier ones? Come on.
As for the lore argument, I disagree. It is pointlessly restrictive when it should have been adaptable. Gameplay can change from one game to the next as can lineups. But the lore hinders instead of support such changes, requiring a re-write or some mind-bending.
Liches can never ever get skeletal faces because Ashan? Bent rule after fanrage. Minos will always have pre-emptive strike because emblematic ability in Ashan? Why? Warlocks are inferno heroes because Ashan? Again, why? There can be no swamp faction because Ashan? Another incidentally revoked rule after people's criticicm.
1 - I'll keep your opinion in mind
2 - I disagree but let's pretend i do agree with you for argument sake. Unity and the other one were written 12 years ago so new Axeoth stories would be made by the current writers. "HUR DUR HIRE WHO WROTE H4" then they could just hire him to write about Ashan lol
3 - "HURDUR ASHAN IS SO GENERIC" *Devs try to give new spin to creatures* "HURDUR ASHAN IS SO RESTRICTIVE". And even then they still changed the lich to both look like an skeleton yet stay true to the lore. Can you make an argument that isnt schizophrenic?
"OMG NO THEY CHANGED THE NAME OF DUNGEON HEROES TO SORCERER AND MADE INFERNO HEROES WARLOCK, OH NO HUMANKIND GAME IS RUINED" Really? I mean i can give you a free pass on H7 given the skillwheel nature but that's it lol. Are you still complaining about H1-2 Sorceress being turned into "Druids"?
Minotaurs dont have preemtive strike because lore says so. Creatures are designed gameplay-wise, given abilities and then lore is written around that. That applies to every gameplay feature with a lore explanation. That is something i like about Ashan but apparently they did such a good job that you cannot fathom them thinking they actually designed the game mechanics of X first and then the lore to wrap it.
Iirc all they have said about a swamp town is that Ashan currently doesnt have one but Ashan (the planet) has other continents so they could eventually add one. Alternatively time could move forward to the point Ashan does have a swamp faction, it already has most of the creatures that composed H3 fortress.
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GenyaArikado said:
Worse things have been saved or at least made decent as Dis3 and CivBE show.
lol what
For disciples 3 a quick browse on Wikipedia should suffice. The launch wasnt good at all.
For Civ BE you could read Civfanatics and check the opinions yourself.
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frostymuaddib
Promising
Supreme Hero
育碧是白痴
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posted March 02, 2016 08:33 AM |
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GenyaArikado said:
"OMG NO THEY CHANGED THE NAME OF DUNGEON HEROES TO SORCERER AND MADE INFERNO HEROES WARLOCK, OH NO HUMANKIND GAME IS RUINED" Really? I mean i can give you a free pass on H7 given the skillwheel nature but that's it lol. Are you still complaining about H1-2 Sorceress being turned into "Druids"?
Though I know it is pointless talking to you, I will ask you one thing. Have you ever played Gem's campaign from H3SoD? If you had, you would realize that there are both sorceresses and druids in the old world, and that the lore didn't say: druids are the only spellcasters connected to nature based towns...
Also, it would be very nice to stop throwing insults
GenyaArikado said:
"HUR DUR DISCIPLES 3, CIV BEYOND EARTH AND AOW3 ARE BETTER" The first had a snow tier release and it two xpacks to fix, the second managed to reach "some nice stuff but still blander than tofu" even after the xpack and the third took over a decade to come out.
And that makes AoW3 a bad game? LoL!
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Elvin
Admirable
Omnipresent Hero
Endless Revival
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posted March 02, 2016 09:29 AM |
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@GenyaArikado
2) I was crearly talking about the writing, not the setting.
3) The skeletal lich was a U turn from the discussions that had taken place. Can Ashan liches be skeletal? Nope. Can there be an alternative method that produces skeletal liches? No. How about less skeletal? Yeah no. RAGE!!! Ok, enjoy your skeletal liches.
So the point is, had the lore been adaptable none of the above silliness would have taken place.
Warlocks are not about the name. Dungeon magic heroes have always been heavy nukers and they were changed into goth dark casters. Sorceress and druid class was more or less the same, only with a different theme. I am all for gameplay evolution but that's just weird, might as well make barbarians defense-based.
Minos are another silly example. In Ashan an iconic ability means the unit will ALWAYS have it. Obviously that was about gameplay except it shows what they know because it throws the balance out of the window! It (somewhat)made sense in the H6 tanky mino but less on the H7 offensive mino.
About swamp factions, you probably missed the official statement some time ago. Ashan, 9 specific factions, end of story. They only changed their mind after seeing the fan reactions and made up those silly excuses. Again, this would not have been necessary if the lore was left vague on that matter.
With that out of the way, be more mindful of your tone. You give a hostile vibe.
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Avirosb
Promising
Legendary Hero
No longer on vacation
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posted March 02, 2016 10:22 AM |
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GenyaArikado said:
"OMG NO THEY CHANGED THE NAME OF DUNGEON HEROES TO SORCERER AND MADE INFERNO HEROES WARLOCK, OH NO HUMANKIND GAME IS RUINED" Really?
Nah, not really. Seems a tad bit like a hyperbole to be honest.
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Datapack
Famous Hero
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posted March 02, 2016 10:59 AM |
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GenyaArikado said:
For disciples 3 a quick browse on Wikipedia should suffice. The launch wasnt good at all.
For Civ BE you could read Civfanatics and check the opinions yourself.
The thing is those games had good games prior, we had H6.
Also those games were not in any way near the state H7 was in at launch and you seem to have a hard to accept Heroes 7 is a bad game(especially when comparing it to the older titles), whether its a Heroes game or not it is literally bottom of barrel trash.
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dark-whisperer
Famous Hero
Darkness feels no mercy
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posted March 02, 2016 11:29 AM |
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HVII is excellent game. Far superior to HVI and HIV and better than HIII. I cant wait for expansion!
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JollyJoker
Honorable
Undefeatable Hero
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posted March 02, 2016 11:30 AM |
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In my opinion the comparison with D3 is bull, because D3 compares well with H SIX. D3 was released in mid 2010 with 3 of the available 5 factions (only) available, with the 4th coming as an expansion 16 months later.
At the time D3 was dead in the water, because the initial release was so short of content, while gameplay was somewhat unsatisfactory and even boring and of course bugged like hell. (See the parallels to H6?)
As opposed to the Ubihole fiasco anding with the demise of BH, Renaissance and Resurrection got a lot of work, ending with D3 Reincarnation, a heavily modified D3 game.
What people are complaining about here is that after the experiences of H6, H7 now is proving to be such a dud.
Lastly, when AoW 3 is mentioned, boy, that game so blows H6 and H7 out of every water there is, it's not even funny.
What's more - it got full Mod support, and modding the game (and not just for a map) is child's play.
Ashan is just one aspect of it. A good lore environment can help a game, but can't save a bad GAME, while a boring or uncreative or lame environment won't make a good game bad, nor even a good story bad.
Personally, I think the whole Ashan business is a problem only, because the lore is pushing so massively to the foreground, so that it looks like the lore would be important for its own sake, not as a vehicle to write good stories and to create interesting factions and game mechanics.
It is perfectly possible that this iron hand the lore dictates things with, is hindering creativity - but I suspect otherwise; to me it looks like good ideas and game concepts are missing, lore or not.
It just doesn't click.
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