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posted June 13, 2021 05:02 PM |
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blizzardboy said:
If a police officer has a bodycam at all times strapped to their physical person, it isn't Orwellian, but if there's a camera next to a traffic light, it is Orwellian.
I'm starting to understand how you think. If it affects somebody else, whatever, it is completely fine. If it affects you, it is tyranny.
What is wrong with having both?
cops having bodycams means they'll only record themselves and people who usually commit crime. it is the surveillance of law-abiding taxpayers i have a problem with. that SHOULD be plainly evident to you by now, and at least you should have understood that from my post. i have a problem with both tyrannical thug jackboot cops, a corrupt system that uses and supports the bad cops while exploiting and terrorizing the public, and criminals. why is the most basic snow so hard for your kind to understand???
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posted June 13, 2021 08:32 PM |
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Being a cop doesn't make a person cease to be a human being or a citizen with constitutional rights. Why do they need to get everything they do recorded? There's a theoretical possibility they might do something corrupt or abusive on the job, but that's only a negative assumption and they are innocent until proven otherwise (I support bodycams on police, but I'm being the devil's advocate here since apparently "law abiding citizens" being recorded is okay for you under the right circumstances).
And what do you mean by "people who usually commit crime"? I'm sorry? Again, innocent until proven guilty, and besides, police work with the public in various ways and only a small portion of their job involves actually arresting people. Even if they do make an arrest, that by itself doesn't make the person guilty.
Also, what qualifies as "law abiding"? If somebody commits a crime at some point in their life, do they lose these rights indefinitely and are allowed to be recorded?
Also, since when did people have a right not to be recorded in public? This is just a completely made-up rule. What about in privately-owned buildings? Are businesses allegedly not allowed to have security cameras in their own buildings? The public space gets recorded by people all the time, both by police and by private entities and just by individuals recording for fun.
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posted June 13, 2021 09:31 PM |
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i'm not going to break it down any further for you. this is ridiculous.
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posted June 13, 2021 09:44 PM |
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It is ridiculous, and fortunately, the law is not on your side because that interpretation is blatantly disrespectful of due process and 1st amendment rights.
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posted June 13, 2021 11:37 PM |
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YOU'RE talking to ME about the Constitution and the legality of ANYTHING? lol. no, little buddy. you have to be a patriot to be able to play that game. i'm sure you might THINK you are, but from everything you've ever said(aside from your trash-talk of europeans), i'm getting a different picture entirely.
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posted June 13, 2021 11:52 PM |
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Again, these are just your own individual, subjective, make-believe rules and not legal ones.
Nobody has to swear to being a "patriot" (lol?) before they're allowed to talk about the law or people's rights. 'Patriotism' has historically been used as a smokescreen to send people to war, including draftees.
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posted June 14, 2021 12:02 AM |
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i think you bait people into all kinds of things, and not just europeans, either. i have this underlying suspicion, or maybe i just want to believe it, that you have been trolling the entire time you've been a part of any debate in hc. otherwise, you're a living meme; and that's very, very sad.
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posted June 14, 2021 12:10 AM |
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Edited by fred79 at 00:13, 14 Jun 2021.
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since you deleted your post, blizz, i will post the part of your reply i was responding to:
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i believe in "innocent until proven guilty"
you claimed chauvin was guilty before his trial, remember? you also claimed cops are racist for shooting armed criminals, and should be dealt with on those terms. not to mention, everything you've said about trump and NOT said about biden or any other democrat. in other words, you are completely fabricating a reality to fit your own whims. that, or you're completely dishonest with either yourself or with others. which is it?
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posted June 14, 2021 12:13 AM |
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Man, you are completely off every definition of sane.
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posted June 14, 2021 12:14 AM |
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JollyJoker said:
Man, you are completely off every definition of sane.
you say that, but that applies to you, blizz, artu, and a pack of others here.
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posted June 14, 2021 12:18 AM |
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fred79 said:
you claimed chauvin was guilty before his trial, remember? you also claimed cops are racist for shooting armed criminals, and should be dealt with on those terms. not to mention, everything you've said about trump and NOT said about biden or any other democrat. in other words, you are completely fabricating a reality to fit your own whims. that, or you're completely dishonest with either yourself or with others. which is it?
That is my estimation of the situation as a private citizen. People voice their views of things all the time. Yes, I believed Chauvin was guilty the instant I watched the video the first time. That doesn't in anyway contradict my belief that due process should be followed for convicting somebody. It's not as if I think Chauvin should have been handed over to an angry mob of people lol, or Trump for that matter.
When I say "Trump is a criminal" it doesn't mean I think a mob with torches and pitchforks should go after him.
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posted June 14, 2021 12:36 AM |
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blizzardboy said:
That is my estimation of the situation as a private citizen. People voice their views of things all the time. Yes, I believed Chauvin was guilty the instant I watched the video the first time. That doesn't in anyway contradict my belief that due process should be followed for convicting somebody. It's not as if I think Chauvin should have been handed over to an angry mob of people lol, or Trump for that matter.
can i ask you something? why do your views mirror the leftist/globalist msm? literally ALL of them? if these are actually YOUR views, shouldn't they deviate somewhat? for instance, i hold both leftist and rightist views, myself. but not you, and many others here, for SOME ungodly reason... *rolls eyes*
so what's YOUR excuse? how do you argue with that valid point, that ALL of your views reflect what the msm broadcasts?
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posted June 14, 2021 12:53 AM |
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The question itself is incoherent and poorly defined. There is a wide variety of opinions on "mainstream media". I'm not entirely sure what "mainstream media" means and what would or wouldn't qualify. It's extremely easy for me to find people on "mainstream media" who don't agree with me, especially if I expand to look into non-US and non-European sources. RT.com is mainstream media and I disagree with the vast majority of their opinion pieces, but not always. Al Jazeera is mainstream media and I do agree with them frequently, but still not 100% of the time. I mean, sometimes it depends on the individual journalist. 2016-2020 I spent most of my time reading non-US media sources because reading about Trump and his latest imbecilic comment all the time quickly became boring and wearisome.
Views (generally speaking, certainly not always) come together into a rough solidarity after a long series of debate and discussion and dissemination and analysis of data, either qualitative or quantitative data. The term within social cognitive and/or collaborative theories of learning is called 'intellectual convergence' and it's a sign of a healthy, functioning society when that is able to happen because explanations and views that are implausible and unsupportable gradually get weeded out.
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posted June 14, 2021 01:41 AM |
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you say all this like the msm isn't primarily made up of the same narratives. i'll repeat myself: your views mirror the msm's 100%. so i'll ask you again: why? why don't you have even ONE view that doesn't?
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posted June 14, 2021 01:55 AM |
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I am a female humpback whale. I will now answer your question using the tongue of my native people.
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Or you can refer to the post above because I already gave you an honest answer.
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posted June 14, 2021 03:04 AM |
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if you really wanted me to read it, then you wouldn't put that sentence first and discourage me from reading the rest. you are not going to convince me of lies against my will, guy. i've got my own mind.
*shoots harpoon*
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