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japjer
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posted October 25, 2002 10:32 AM |
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reporting 3-way's
i've been looking for a topic to this, and the closest i got was an answer posted in january in a faq-thread.
i recently played a 3-way on beltway, it was a great game, only the outcome compared to how we should report it sounds unfair to me.
this is what happened: i seemed to be the slightly weaker one, but jiels attacked insatiable. it came to a close fight, but jiels eventually won. me and jiels played on, ending in a final fight which i won, with a big thanks to insatiable for weakening his forces.
following the rules explained on the board by ves, insatiable reported a loss on me, jiels did nothing and i reported a win against insatiable.
see how this doesn't make sense? jiels didn't get any credit for killing insatiable and i get the win against someone i didn't defeat(all i ever saw of insatiable was a scout bandit).
now my suggestion: you get the win on the one you kill. that way, jiels would have his deserved win on insatiable, and i got a win on jiels.
this way, people won't just wait in there castle till the other 2 kill eachother, cause when attacking you got at least 1 win.
i know it isn't the perfect system either, but it seems better than the one we handled.
if someone has a better idea, or if i just misread something on the rules, bring it on!
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Sir_Alkis
Tavern Dweller
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posted October 25, 2002 11:26 AM |
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Jiels did get a credit for killing insatiable because in the end he lost no points. Look at it this way. Jiels won against Insatiable, that's plus 1. But he lost against you, that's minus 1. So the final result is zero. You won against Jiels and lost to no one that's plus one. Insatiable lost to Jiels and won against no one that's minus 1.
So in the end it is "fair". Also all of you knew the rules. In 3way games you have to be carefull.
There is however a scenario which seems unfair with the current rules. Suppose one player, let's say A beats B and then C in succesion. He only gets one point while he has killed both his opponents. C gets zero even though he lost against A and beaten no one.
In any case, the way I see it, 3way games are mostly for fun 
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Hexa
Responsible
Legendary Hero
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posted October 25, 2002 12:09 PM |
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Hmm there is ofcourse a different way to report!@
U report a win against the person u kill.
So Jiels should have gotten a win versus Ins and u a win versus Jiels.
This is a fair way to prevent any chicken playing style in the game.
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chubby051
Promising
Known Hero
King of All That Are Fat
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posted October 25, 2002 02:17 PM |
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There can't be two reports for one game
You can't report like hexa suggested, because it is breaking the rules. (Pretty disappointing seeing a vet encouraging this type of reporting.)
The reason for the correct way of reporting (1st reports win, 2nd no report, and 3rd report loss) is because only one game was played. Hence, only one game can/should be reported. Its just part of playing a 3 way ffa. It keeps people from racking up false records.
Anyways, if you play honorable people, I dought any of them will want to sit there and wait in their castle while the other two players battle it out, what fun is that?
The one exception for reporting two games when only one was played is for 2v2. Simply because there is no other way to do it. Many people abuse this the same way and end up reporting four games when there are only suppose to be two.
@ Kitten,
I am not sure if the proper ways of reporting are on the rules page, but if they are not, I think it would probably be a wise thing to put them on there.
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Jinxer
Legendary Hero
*****
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posted October 25, 2002 04:02 PM |
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Chubby is CORRECT!!!
The rules clearly state the way 3ways NEED to be reported. Since there is only 1 game played only 1 report can be made. My advice to you if you dont like how the rules on 3way reporting is.....DONT play 3way.
Also just a friendly reminder....if by any chance people decide to start reporting it there own way anyways and get caught that is enough reason to be banned from TOH. So just be careful.
in previous season we had people abusing this espesially on 2vs2. They were making 4 reports outta 1 game. IN reality the proper way for 2vs2 reporting is usually the 2 highest ranked players on each team reaport to each other and the 2 lowest ranked players on each team report.
For example: IN 2vs2 games it is most common for a player to FEED his teammate to make him super strong for faster more efficent attacks. And once the first battle is over and 1 team is left with one player. It is then 2vs1 so most of the time, the game is just conceeded at that point without 2 of the players ever getting to have a fight. Yet one of those players will get credit for win and the other player will have to post a loss having not gotten a chance to fight.
The bottom line it is the nature of 3way and 2vs2 games to practically over after the first fight... so you know that starting the game.
Jinxer
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Sir_Alkis
Tavern Dweller
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posted October 25, 2002 04:05 PM |
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Chubby051,
Can you please explain a little how one can report 4 games in a 2vs2 game.
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Jinxer
Legendary Hero
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posted October 25, 2002 04:17 PM |
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Team 1 = A & B
Team 2 = C & D
Lets say A beats C = Win report A Lose report C
Lets say D beats B = Win report D Lose report B
Then A beats D = Win report A ( again ) Lose report D
Player A reported 2 times. ( 2 Wins )
Player D reported 2 times. ( 1 Win and 1 Loss)
Player C reported 1 time. ( 1 Loss )
Player B reported 1 time. ( 1 Loss )
So see actually more reports than 4 was made if you do it in the way some suggest. And it was 1 game played. It CANNOT be done this way.
The rules on reporting for 3 way and 2vs2 are tryed and true.
Jinxer
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GrandElf
Hired Hero
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posted October 25, 2002 04:36 PM |
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what about wta in 3 or 4way games? is that illegal too?
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bort
Honorable
Supreme Hero
Discarded foreskin of morality
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posted October 25, 2002 04:57 PM |
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I can't even begin to describe how much I wish I had a 3-way to report.
*sigh*
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Jinxer
Legendary Hero
*****
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posted October 25, 2002 05:06 PM |
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Quote:
what about wta in 3 or 4way games? is that illegal too?
3 Way reporting is already established and posted in rules.
- 1st place = Win / 2nd place = Nothing / 3rd place = Lose
IN a 4 way not really sure. But I would imagine it would work similar to the 3 way formula. i.e. the thing that cannot happen is that no matter how many people you beat in the game, be it, 8way FFA, if you take out 6 players and then you lose. You cannot report 6 wins and 1 lose for the 1 game!!!! The person standing as the last man standing is the WINNER. He has the right to take the win. 8 player ffa was just an example, lol
Jinxer
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Hexa
Responsible
Legendary Hero
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posted October 25, 2002 05:37 PM |
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hmm for the record .. I (almost) never play 3way's!@
For the reason that I don't think it is fair that the runner up gets nothing for his/her hard work.
And Chubby me a vet? LOL
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bjorn190
Responsible
Supreme Hero
Jebus maker
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posted October 25, 2002 06:24 PM |
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So if you play a 8 way ffa game, the winner gets 1 win and the loser gets 1 loss.
Itīs very ridiculous, since there are TWO wins in 2vs2 games, even though its just one game.
So the rules are inconcistent and discriminate against 3ways in favour of 2vs2.
This is because many veterans like 2vs2 and it will not change.
What you can do is play what you wanna play and report what you wanna report.
You donīt have to obey rules that are unfair, if you keep it hidden.
I ruels
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bobntamr1
Known Hero
non dictionary ownen hero
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posted October 25, 2002 07:19 PM |
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to be honest after reading this post...have cheated... I have played 3 way(in HOMM3 only) and being the loser, of course, gave one win to the middle person and one win to the winner. now I don't think this is right, but neither is not getting anything for playnig for 6 to 8 hrs or more in homm4, i think the rules should be changed jinxer!!!
if player a beats player c, then player b beats player a then:
Player a ashould get 1 win and 1 loss
Player b should get 1 win
and player c should get 1 loss
this is really the only fair way to do it in my opinion...note quote on the bottom though
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Jinxer
Legendary Hero
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posted October 25, 2002 07:28 PM |
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Edited By: Jinxer on 25 Oct 2002
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Just dont be suprised if you get banned from TOH one day IF someone finds out you are purposely breaking the rules.
Be kinda hard to give ya 2nd chance when you openly and knowingly support such deception and rule breaking.
I used 8 player FFA for an example. NOONE will ever play 8 FFA... lol
But with your rational thinking here Bjorn.. next I will hear you saying that If you play a game with 2 computer players and you beat both computer players and your opponent that you deserve 3 wins lol.... or I beat 3 Stacks of Titans and 3 Groups of BlackDragons so I should get X amount of extra wins lol.
The bottom line is when you enter a game, you as a player can ONLY post 1 win or 1 loss for that game. SO I dont care how ya want to formulate it. But you should NEVER beable to gain 2 wins or 2 losses etc from 1 game.
Peace & try and play fair and by the rules.
Jinxer
p.s.
I am mainly speaking on the part of KNOWING the rules. If Vesuvius or Kitten wants to change these rules, then that is up to them. I personally dont care, as I am officially an H4 player now. But there will be much abuse of reports if you change it to the way you suggest. Because there was much abuse before we established these rules.
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bobntamr1
Known Hero
non dictionary ownen hero
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posted October 25, 2002 07:34 PM |
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absolutly Jinxer, i couldn't agree more I honestly did not know, nad it will not happen again with me. Thank you for your advice.
EDIT:: after thinking on this for awhile, it is not fair to be able to post more than one game for the middle person, end result.
Is there someway that we can have a report for 3-ways? like differing points for 1st second and third? I think some other tourneys have this option, it is just a curious question.
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Hexa
Responsible
Legendary Hero
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posted October 25, 2002 09:08 PM |
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Quote:
I have played 3 way(in HOMM3 only) and being the loser, of course, gave one win to the middle person and one win to the winner. now I don't think this is right, but neither is not getting anything for playnig for 6 to 8 hrs or more in homm4, i think the rules should be changed jinxer!!!quote]
Losing two times in one game is offcourse just nuts.
I was talking about this"
* first one out reports a loss to the one that kills him/her
* second one reports a loss to the winner of the game
But don't listen to me ...!@
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bobntamr1
Known Hero
non dictionary ownen hero
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posted October 25, 2002 09:21 PM |
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hmmm i have a suggestion
we can have ...
report win
report loss
report 3 way ffa
report 2 vs 2
only to avoid confusion and one avenue of people taking advantage of others like i was when i started in HOMM3 
just a idea for ease of play
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Sir_Stiven
Honorable
Legendary Hero
banned
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posted October 25, 2002 09:25 PM |
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But don't listen to me ...!@
Dont worry, i wont as long as you give advice for how to cheat.
With that said, i agree completely with jinx. One game is one game no matter how you twist it. Therefor you should not be able to get more wins/losses from it.
Its as simple as that.
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bobntamr1
Known Hero
non dictionary ownen hero
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posted October 25, 2002 09:29 PM |
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absolutly agree...hence the suggestion for differing ways to report. Because i guarentee that is the only way to still show you are a active member if you play 10 games and always the middle person =O)
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Sir_Stiven
Honorable
Legendary Hero
banned
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posted October 25, 2002 09:32 PM |
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Quote:
absolutly agree...hence the suggestion for differing ways to report. Because i guarentee that is the only way to still show you are a active member if you play 10 games and always the middle person =O)
Great, then you pay for all automatisation this requires...woohooo problem fixed... 
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