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Svarog
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posted August 29, 2004 02:19 AM |
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PH, middle-east, you're right. not really my forte. but u see, its easier to adapt, than stay resolute to find middle-easterners to debate that.
and, dont get too wet about it, man. being in the guild list is not like a list of the sexiest men alive. u can stay there and dont discuss anything, if nothing suits you.
oh, and consis, why do you post in that thread? I thought u said u're not willing to debate.
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Wolfman
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posted August 29, 2004 03:01 AM |
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I like the setup you made, Svarog. I was just conserned that the idea wasn't going to get off the ground.
I look forward to seeing this one play out. 
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privatehudson
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posted August 29, 2004 10:41 AM |
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Adapt to what exactly? So far no-one has even come close to something I'm interested in, and as I said, time for me is limited, unless it's a topic I already have background in and don't need extensive research then there's no point.
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Sir_Stiven
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posted August 31, 2004 02:51 AM |
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is ok, you could just start another debate with yourself, they usually go down that road anyway 
or you can try and start a football debate with me, and no you american foo bums.. i mean football as in real football.. not the paddy sissy version
football debates are always nice *slaps PH's face with a glove* you up for the duel?
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privatehudson
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posted August 31, 2004 10:24 AM |
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Get a new jokebook, that one's boring. And no, I don't want to debate football as I stopped watching it some time ago now since it's become less of a game and more of a business. It holds pretty much no interest for me.
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Sir_Stiven
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posted August 31, 2004 02:03 PM |
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if its "boring" according to the guy who has had as many succesful jokes as number of times gorman has been succesful with the ladies ill keep my humour thank you
Then lets debate football - its commercial and political influence.
Or are you afraid that the n00bs here will think less of you after ive ran you over chicken boy?
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privatehudson
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posted August 31, 2004 02:13 PM |
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No, I'm simply expressing my opinion that with limited time, I choose to limit what I debate about to what I already have a wide knowledge in, football is not one of them. I see no point in being "beaten" in a debate simply because I won't have the time or interest to come up with a decent argument, that would be a hollow victory for you and a waste of my time. You might get satisfaction from that, but I decline to waste time just to please you.
Of course I imagine that this will become another chance for you to try and score more petty points with your attempts at humour, but such is life. From the start I expressed the opinion that I would only take part on certain topics and I don't recall football being one of them.
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TheRealDeal
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posted August 31, 2004 02:54 PM |
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Now THIS is Funny! :D
Stiven i think you just owned yourself, n00b.
Basicly your saying "I'm up for a football debate" - And thats that. Most other people here are up for a bit more serious kind of debate, and then you say "Discuss it with me and i'll own you!" .. .. Wow? Discuss Warcraft with me, and your dead, discuss starcraft with me, and your dead. Discuss the term of "Being Overweight" with me, and your dead. But i didn't mention these things, since A: Being overweight has been discussed(so has Football..) The other 2 are games, which i doubt is something people (other than me) would like to discuss, but i certainly do not say "Discuss warcraft with me and get beaten!!" Just because i'm not clever enough to find a more soothing subject, so when your done imbarrising yourself at PH's expence, you might actually think before you post.
Your probably gonna dig into your little and narrowminded brain, and find some subjects which very few people care about, and start all over with your "Debate this with me and lose!!! N000B"
Don't let the link hit you on the way out.
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privatehudson
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posted August 31, 2004 03:01 PM |
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Ooops, I can feel the heat of the flame war already... all appologies to Svarog if it ruins his neat thread.
Having said that though, I don't consider Football, or games to be ineligible topics, they're good debating subjects, they're just not for me.
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Sir_Stiven
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posted August 31, 2004 04:04 PM |
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tossdeal,
as usual you dont know what you are talking about.
Ive seen PH discuss football here earlier, and that is the common debate ground we got.
Just look at the olympics thread i think it was and youll see that he even makes newcastle vs liverpool comparisions.
If i were to pick a certain victory above PH i would pick something about picking up girls hehe... no insult intended but i think i would run him over there.
Just as i think he would run me over in historical debates.
But football is more of a common ground as we both have knowledge in the subject. And since people rate him as a good debater here i would like to see how much of a challenge he would be.
So there.
Now you know where i come from which i gladly could have told you if you would have asked, that way you would have spared yourself the problem of looking like a jackass now aswell 
One thing i find really amusing though is that the rumour here says you have great respect for me and yet you wanna challenge me in everything, do you got some kind of a little brother complex? 
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privatehudson
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posted August 31, 2004 04:22 PM |
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Ive seen PH discuss football here earlier, and that is the common debate ground we got.
Just look at the olympics thread i think it was and youll see that he even makes newcastle vs liverpool
Yes you have, that was though some time back and with hindsight I would have much rather studied the topic more prior to discussing it. Since I haven't the time, this falls into the "no thanks, not got the time" category. As did communist history, as I suspect it would be more about politics than history, and my russian history is weak at the best of times.
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But football is more of a common ground as we both have knowledge in the subject. And since people rate him as a good debater here i would like to see how much of a challenge he would be.
I have limited knowledge of the subject, mostly about Everton, and mostly about the past, and it's not something I intend to discuss.
I have a sneaking suspcion that this will be me "running" from a debate with you, but well, that's your perogative to twist what I say in any way you like. No wait! I know, you'll say that if I don't have time, why am I posting here? It's called a day off work. I don't enjoy it especially, but I can spare 5 minutes of my time to explain something every so often I guess. A few afternoons at minimum I can't.
If you really have the time and still really want to, study something that I mentioned. Since I don't have the time, I decline the chance to do the same. Otherwise, I shall keep to my offer of considering debating a history topic with anyone, but until then I will remain out of the debatig guild as such
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Lord_Woock
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posted August 31, 2004 04:31 PM |
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Um... Sorry to rain on your parade, Hudson, but Stiven's last post was directed towards The Real Deal, not you
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TheRealDeal
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posted August 31, 2004 04:32 PM |
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Your saying that i just made a jackass of myself.
I said that since i said that u only could discuss football, or other .. well u get the deal, subjects. You quickly mentioned scoring with girls, which proves my point.
About the little brother complex, no. I'm a "member" of this thingie and i just thought the way you "attacked" PH was fun, since it made you look ... rather .. jock-like =)
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privatehudson
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posted August 31, 2004 04:35 PM |
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Um... Sorry to rain on your parade, Hudson, but Stiven's last post was directed towards The Real Deal, not you
Some of it was relevant to me, I've edited out the parts that were not. Given his habit of using "toss" all the time, it was a little much to expect me to work out who he was referring to this time when I'm half asleep
See that is what quotes can be handy for...
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Sir_Stiven
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posted August 31, 2004 04:51 PM |
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Given his habit of using "toss" all the time, it was a little much to expect me to work out who he was referring to this time when I'm half asleep
actually that was the reason i started my post with "tossdeal" so it would make sense who it was directed to
and behold ladies and gentlemen:
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I have a sneaking suspcion that this will be me "running" from a debate with you, but well, that's your perogative to twist what I say in any way you like. No wait! I know, you'll say that if I don't have time, why am I posting here? It's called a day off work. I don't enjoy it especially, but I can spare 5 minutes of my time to explain something every so often I guess. A few afternoons at minimum I can't.
...A PH special - "You say something, i change what you say or make it up and then i start arguing with myself"
tossdeal, a subject doesnt have to be about politics or history to be debated. A subject that two people have different opinions on is enough.
So now stop tossing and go make me some dinner, better hurry before i test if i can pull your underwear over your head
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privatehudson
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posted August 31, 2004 05:00 PM |
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actually that was the reason i started my post with "tossdeal" so it would make sense who it was directed to
Well I was half asleep, these things happen when people don't use quotes much
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"You say something, i change what you say or make it up and then i start arguing with myself"
Actually, it's a comment on your normal response to everything when someone says "no time". A cursory glance at the past threads in which people have said that to you would bear me out on this. Lets also see, yes you did accuse me of running from a debate with you. Oops, apparently you did say something like that then, and probably only didn't say the other this time because you'd look too predictable  Seems I don't make much up at all.
And for your information, it wasn't even an argument, it was a statement Ooops huh?
Anyway, if no-one minds, I'll leave it as I started this thread, history, mainly military anything else, thanks but no thanks
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Svarog
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posted September 01, 2004 02:30 AM |
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How about you two debate "Is PH running from debate", cause thats what u just did. And then he tells me he doesnt have time, and he replies 3 paragraphs after each stiven's sentense.
I just wanted to add: People, this is not a championship or smth. Debates are for fun. As stiven said, whenever we have opposite opinions (even that is not necessary), we can debate, and it really helps.
If we just had to be experts on a topic to discuss it, then there wouldnt have been any debate matches around. Debating and pure knowledge about an area are often two different things.
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privatehudson
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posted September 01, 2004 04:24 AM |
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I believe I dealt with the time issue, do please pay attention.
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posted September 01, 2004 07:50 AM |
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He tells me he doesnt have time and then he replies 3 paragraphs after each Sir_Stiven's sentence.
You noticed that too?
Look PrivateHudson knows how much I respect him but he shouldn't be participating in a debate for the exact reasons he has posted. He is merely regurgitating his most excellent research. In a debate, an argument is made to prove a point. For this man we can safely say that all his points have already been proven. Thus far I have yet to see PrivateHudson ever post anything that can't already be found in a book somewhere. Aside from his usual displeasure with a generally nonreceptive world governing(a bit pessimistic in my opinion), his articles are quite valuable. But this is the problem. Facts are facts and you'd be hard-pressed to ever find him presenting anything other than this. He almost never argues philosophies Svarog which you are quite clearly a student of.
For example, if you say you think something isn't morally right then he would merely say your point is moot as it has no facts to support it. He is completely against religious association(for reasons I know not) and strictly adheres to facts alone. Theories donot concern him therefore what is the point with arguing anything with him? If I have question then I ask him about it. PrivateHudson is not afraid to say he doesn't have the information about something and when he does have the information he is very generous in divulging what he knows. He's very very helpful but he is not a debater. I tend to think of him more as a corrector, someone who sets the facts straight when a poster clearly lies about something.
Quite frankly, I don't think this man has ever lost a debate simply because he refuses to enter into anything past what he already knows.
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privatehudson
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posted September 01, 2004 10:58 AM |
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If I may just be permitted to make an observation for a moment?
I type fast, so most of the replies here take me no more than 10 minutes. Now I'll give you an idea of how long it takes me to usually study a topic. Spread out over weeks it usually takes around maybe 10 hours work, if I already have knowledge of it and access to decent books and sources. Anyone notice the difference between one hour and ten? Now if people wish for me to study something I'm not familiar with, or would have to dig for information on such as football or similar, you might as well call it 20 hours minimum. So what you say? Well here's another thought, this week I have had just 4 hours to myself to sit down and persue any study of such things (and that was only because a meeting was cancelled!), and I already have a topic for that, and I'm interested in it. So imagining for a moment if you will that this is an average week in my life, you could expect a minimum of 5 weeks before I could even begin, and that's assuming that I can, and that I want to.
Try to understand the difference between 10 minute posts and 10-20 hours work before I even begin thinking about the debate and the topic, it's not hard to work out that unless it's something I'm very interested in, that I have better things to do with my time.
Furthermore, there is a distinct difference between threads (or part thereof) where I have pointed to research and threads where I have debated something. An example would be the Billy the Kid thread, after pointing out the facts I engaged in a debate about them the morality of his actions based on the time. If you look at the three I suggested here, two are specifically morality issues where facts are helpful, but a stance is needed and must be defended. Try again.
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Thus far I have yet to see PrivateHudson ever post anything that can't already be found in a book somewhere
You clearly don't look very far. Either that or you presume that because someone bases part of their argument on facts, that said argument must be someone elses' design. That would kind of be like me saying that because you take a morale stance against the use of atom bombs on Japan, you must have got that stance from MacArthur. We're all influenced by books, sources and so on, I bet none of us can put forward a theory that we can all claim to be "ours" without finding someone else has expressed it first, does that diminish someone's stance? I think not.
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He is completely against religious association(for reasons I know not) and strictly adheres to facts alone
That's so wrong it's not even funny. Read the defenition of Agnostic properly, I'm no athiest. If I was that, I would have adopted the "ban organised religion" argument.
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Theories donot concern him therefore what is the point with arguing anything with him?
Just because this forum lacks sufficient topics where I have debated theories does not mean I don't. I visit many where I discuss a variety of things, including non-provable things like religion.
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He's very very helpful but he is not a debater. I tend to think of him more as a corrector, someone who sets the facts straight when a poster clearly lies about something.
Well that's very nice of you to say, but hardly accurate to say I cannot debate something just because it doesn't appear here, or fails to come up to your standard of what makes a debating style valid.
I'm always bemused by the way you try to read me consis, at the very least it gives me something to chuckle about in the morning. You're very rarely right though. I appreciate that you mean well consis, but you never quite get it right.
Oh and maybe if I have time in a few months a viking debate might not be beyond me, but we're talking end of the year at least now given hols and what not.
Didn't really want to go into the obvious details about the time thing, but since you all act so smug about it, I guess it was necessary. If I debate something, I like to do it justice and understand the topic, and all aspects of it fully. If you want that, then don't sit there talking to me about "time". I'm fully aware about how much time I have thank you.
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