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Leo_Lion
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posted May 27, 2005 10:58 PM |
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Let me ask you guys a question that should either clear things up OR screw them up even more:
What is half of infinity?
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terje_the_ma...
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posted May 27, 2005 11:04 PM |
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In fear that my brain will take irreparable damage if I pondr this too much, I think I'm gonna have to answer "it's an impossibility". 
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Leo_Lion
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posted May 27, 2005 11:29 PM |
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Half of infinity...is...still infinity.
Since infinity has no end and, technically, cannot even be measured...you could divide or multiply it as many times as you want and it would always be infinite. Infinity is everything & anything, it is infinitely small, as it is infinitely large! It has no beginning and no end!
So, if you choose to apply this definition of "infinity" to our universe or even to your own soul, than you will need to move to Tibet, shave your head, wear an orange robe, and spend the rest of your life finding out "where" & "how" you fit into the Big Picture...or is it the small picture?! 
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Shiva
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posted May 28, 2005 05:25 PM |
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Quote:
Let me ask you guys a question that should either clear things up OR screw them up even more:
What is half of infinity?
there is an ancient sanskrit mantra:
Om Poornam Adah Poornam Idam
Poornaat Poornam Udachyate
Poornasya Poornam Aadaay
Poornam Evaa Vashishyate
which basically means:
This is whole, that is the complete whole
A part of the whole is still the complete whole
If you take a piece of the whole away
It remains complete and perfect.
Translated to personal terms, even though each
individual is discrete and seeming separate, they
are part of the whole, and thus remain that
completeness from which they came.
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Svarog
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posted May 29, 2005 06:07 AM |
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OR, you can write a simple math equasion:
inf.*x=+inf. (x>0)
inf.*x=-inf. (x<0)
inf.*x=any const. (x=0) ... or undefined 
Its not true that humans cant grasp infinity. Its an everyday occurence in fact. (sidekick: do you know that the length of Norways coast is infinity? Or when you look in the sky and you cant see nothing, thats when u look at an object at distance inf.) What they cant grasp and that makes all the problems is the 4D space. But what if i tell you that there are theories for 12D space, and D-branes and what not, scientifically based... now thats a mind dazzle, infinity is baby stuff.
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terje_the_ma...
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posted May 29, 2005 09:06 PM |
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Now I am truly intrigued. Norway's coastline is infinite, you say?
And I always imagined it to be 21,925 km long. Would you please elaborate on how to make 21,925 into ∞?
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Khaelo
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posted May 30, 2005 01:26 AM |
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I don't know about Norway's coast in particular, but there's a paradox which says that no one can go anywhere at all because of infinity. You see, in order to get from point A to point B, you have to go half that distance first. And to go half that distance, you have to go a quarter distance first. And to go a quarter distance, you have to go an eighth distance...and so on. Because you can divide the distances infinately, you are (supposedly) forever getting past the fractions and can never make it from point A to point B.
I forget the name of the person who came up with that one, but I imagine they didn't get out much.
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terje_the_ma...
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posted May 30, 2005 02:18 AM |
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Aha, that was the Greek guys. I'll look it up, but before I do that, I just have to type down that it were the guys who said that the hare would never catch up with the turtle, if the turtle was given a 100 metre long (hare starts at A, turtle at B) headstart. If the turtle moves at 1/10 of the speed of the hare, then when the hare has come to where the turtle started (B), the turtle will still have an advantage of 1/10 of the distance the hare's just run (let's call this X). When the hare catches up with this (X), the turtle will have moved another 1/10 of the distance from B to X. And so on and so on.
I think they used this to prove that there's no such thing as speed.
Let me go look it up...
Hmmm. I found a better explaination for this, which is apparently called the Paradoxes of Zenon:
Achilles and the tortoise are going to find out who can run a distance fastest. Since Achilles can run much faster than the tortoise, the tortoise is allowed to start somewhat ahead of Achilles, but not further ahead than it is still apparently obvious that Achilles will catch up with it relatively quickly, and win the race. Still, Zenon claims to be able to prove that Achilles will never catch up with the tortoise. Why? To catch up with the tortoise, Achilles at first have to reach the point from where the tortoise started (A). When Achilles reaches A, the tortoise has already walked to a new point, B. Thus, Achilless have to run to B. But in the meantime, the tortoise has reached C. Achilles will have to run to C as well. And so it continues, without end. The distance between the two is constantly decreasing, but never really disappears. Beacause of this, Achilles will never catch up with the tortoise. In short: If movement was possible, then it should be possible for Achilles to catch up with the tortoise, but this appears to be impossible. Thus, movement can't exist even though the senses tell us otherwise.
Another example:
Let's imagine an arrow which flies through the air. In a given moment, the arrow is in a specific location. In this moment the arrow is not moving - if it was, it wouldn't have a specific location in this exact moment. But if the arrow is still every moment, then it's still all the time, and not moving. Ergo, an arrow that's in movement is at the same time still, so it has has to be a self-contradiction, and thus an impossibiliy, that the arrow is moving through the air.
I'm not sure if this is what you're thinking about, but it none the less shows what one can do if one has a way with words, some logic skills, and a hell of a lot of spare time on one's hands...
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- Grenn, A Storm of Swords.
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Svarog
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posted May 30, 2005 05:45 AM |
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About the hare and the turtle; yes, its similar to what I was trying to say, but not quite. You see, in the case of the hare, you can easily calculate the distance the turtle has to run when she'll be reached by the hare. So simple. But with the coast of Norway, you can zoom endlessly, for each and every stone bordering the water, and its border will always show more edge detail, which should be included in the total length.
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Let's imagine an arrow which flies through the air. In a given moment, the arrow is in a specific location. In this moment the arrow is not moving - if it was, it wouldn't have a specific location in this exact moment. But if the arrow is still every moment, then it's still all the time, and not moving. Ergo, an arrow that's in movement is at the same time still, so it has has to be a self-contradiction, and thus an impossibiliy, that the arrow is moving through the air.
I'm not sure if this is what you're thinking about, but it none the less shows what one can do if one has a way with words, some logic skills, and a hell of a lot of spare time on one's hands...
Actually, this example is resolved by science today. The catch is that the moving arrow in any given exact moment has techincally a range of coordinates infinity. Its one of the basic principles of quantum mechanics h=dp*dx, where p is the impulse (velocity*mass) and x is the coordinate. h is planck's constant. d stands for delta (meaning a range for the measurement's uncertainity). So, if you had dp=0, i.e. u knew the exact speed of the body, you cannot tell the coordinate (dx=inf.), and if you had dx=0, u knew the position of the body, there's no way u could tell its speed. For lower values however, the law has a practical value with the fact that it gives a range of possibility for the body position/velocity (presented by a Gauss curve). Its a difficult concept for the mind to ponder (impossible), but its there, in science, so what i can conclude out of this is that nature has a whole lot of mysteries for us to discover, some of which are difficult to grasp, others never to be revealed.
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Leo_Lion
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posted May 30, 2005 06:57 AM |
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All this talk of mathematical infinity has made my spirit sad. 
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Shiva
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posted May 30, 2005 02:19 PM |
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Edited By: Shiva on 30 May 2005
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All this talk of mathematical infinity has made my spirit sad.
Lol, Leo. Trust mathematicians to try to assign a name
and and a form to what is unnameable and formless.
Mathematics works in the area of known quantities. Even
the concept of zero, which is the absence of anything, and
thus infinite in a way, screws up equations, as in
dividing by zero. Granted, there is much that still can
be discovered about this life, and maybe quantified or
put into an equation, but there is an essential mystery
of it all which really is quite exciting.
Which leads me to your original question. When you say
"what is half of infinity", you are doing the
mathematical/philosophical equivalent of dividing by
zero, except you are trying to divide infinity by 2.
Applying a known quantity, 2, to an undefinable quantity
results in an undefinable answer, which is basically
infinite.
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Svarog
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posted May 31, 2005 01:34 AM |
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Hmm, some wrong mathematical logic there Shiva, but nevermind. (Mathematics copes perfectly well with both inf. and zero; there are this kind of equasions which are easily solved that way.) Besides, dont u think its weird that most of the time, math and science bashing comes from people who arent really familiar with it.
I dont think you get the greatness of that formula up there. It's not mathematics and derived from logic. Its physics derived from experiments and describes the reality of our world. Its not a deficiency of human anatomy or measurement devices, its a property of reality. A particle "expands" to infinity for time interval zero. Feels more mystical than all the myths together if u ask me. Whatever. I wouldnt like to interrupt your spiritual experiences with stupid scientific reality. Off i go.
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Conan
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posted June 03, 2005 05:09 PM |
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Edited By: Conan on 3 Jun 2005
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Well Terje,
It's been more than a week since you told us about the buble-bee insight you had and it's affect on you. Then in the discussion we had, I was saying how it was important (or the fact that I find it important) to look for more of these messages whenever you can... and since I know you often go for a walk in the woods, did anything else happen since then? If you don't feel comfortable talking about it, then I very much understand and you don't have to answer.
On my side, I don't have much to share... I've been at work and when I get home, I take care of the family and it seems I don't have much time to ponder. I've gotten caught-up with a fast-paced life. 
Next week my schedule switches back to 3:30 -12h00 am so perhaps I'll go for walks more often and stay up a bit later to take some time for myself.
I also really should start meditating again, I've stopped for quite a while now and I should start again... just not enough time in one day...
EDIT: Consis, I just read what you wrote in the Feedback thread... let me comment if I may:
To start an experience, you need to start small. Terje here is the perfect example. As your spirituality grows, so do the experiences. Start from realizing things by looking at the signals you get in life. Then more signals will come because you are in tune with them. All these are spiritual experiences come in their own way. An experience is not only defined in an apparition from the dead or anything wacky like that. An experience is something you live yourself, something that, if lived by another human, would not mean anything. Something that, because of your present state of mind, and because of events in your life, triggers something dormant in you.
trust me when I say that we all live experiences in our lives, but few of us are in tune with them. It's interesting when you open your mind to them and start realizing what you've been missing. Things happen for a reason and look for these reasons. For example, The bumble-bee that landed on Terje had a much greater affect then just "landing on Terje" for no reason.
In any case, that's how I go about living my own life, so I thought I'd share it with you. Of course, I don't consider myself as all-knowing so take my comment with ease.
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terje_the_ma...
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posted June 03, 2005 07:22 PM |
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Well Terje,
It's been more than a week since you told us about the buble-bee insight you had and it's affect on you. Then in the discussion we had, I was saying how it was important (or the fact that I find it important) to look for more of these messages whenever you can... and since I know you often go for a walk in the woods, did anything else happen since then? If you don't feel comfortable talking about it, then I very much understand and you don't have to answer.
Well, I don't know if I'd call this an insight, but last night, at around 2:00, I went to pay a visit to the toilet. When I flipped the lid open, I noticed something squirming in the water.
I bent down to have a better look, and discovered a centipede that was furtively attempting to get out of the water and climb the steep, slippery slopes of the toilet. Being the compassionate guy that I am, I did not simply flush the poor creature down the drains.
No, I went to the kitchen, fetched a fork and a spoon, and went to rescue the little rascal from drowning. The fork didn't help much; centipedes are fast little buggers, so he/she kept falling off of the fork all the time. When I used the spoon, however, things went much better.
I soon managed to get the tiny fellow out of the toilet, and then out of the house. I feel like such a hero! 
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I also really should start meditating again, I've stopped for quite a while now and I should start again... just not enough time in one day...
You've been meditating in the past?
Did it help any?
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"Sometimes I think everyone's just pretending to be brave, and none of us really are. Maybe pretending to be brave is how you get brave, I don't know."
- Grenn, A Storm of Swords.
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Conan
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posted June 03, 2005 08:44 PM |
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actually, yes I did and I took courses and seminars too. It did give me what I was looking for and that was twofold:
1) Knowledge about the Energy;
2) Control over my mind.
Meditation was a really good exercise for me and it really did me a whole lot of good. There are different techniques, and you must use the one that suits you best. The courses really helps aswell because I didn't really know what to do when meditating... in fact, I didn't really know what it meant.
The tough job for me was to not let your mind wander and to gain control over it.
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TheAsgard
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posted August 21, 2005 09:18 AM |
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Conan,
What if i tell you that i know exactly what it is that you are feeling/sensing, i can tell you that their are many others that are like you such as myself their are many different categories that you inparticular may fit into but you fit into your general range of peoples. What you can do with what you experience can be harnessed and used for a greater good, for the benefit of your self and others. I do not wish to scare you just try and help you understand that their is more to this than you may know or believe, alothough i do not believe that this is the best place to discuss this for it is not for the fait of heart.
let me know if you want to hear more!
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Conan
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posted August 22, 2005 06:30 PM |
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Actually, yes, this is the best place to talk about this kind of stuff. I'm interested into hearing what you have to say
Edit (recieved by IM for Asgard): I would like to Know what it is that you have learnt from those lessons on spirituality? Because the truth bout what you know may depend on what i will say.
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Conan
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posted August 24, 2005 03:24 PM |
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Well, part of what I have learned in those meditation classes (if that is what you are reffering to) is to work with the energy that binds us. To learn how to focus it, how to send it towards someone else, to see the effects of it on others and on yourself. Part of it, although learned elsewhere was to actually percieve this energy.
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TheAsgard
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posted September 03, 2005 02:53 PM |
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Well I have been thinking it threw and it seems that you are adimit to know what I think. Well have you concidered that hwat you are learning has a lot to do with spirit channeling or mediumism. These spirits that you see, are they people that have recently passed on or are they general spirits that may be here for a greater purpose?
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Conan
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posted September 03, 2005 06:10 PM |
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Edited By: Conan on 3 Sep 2005
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Perhaps I misslead some people here and I am sorry for doing so. Let me explain.
I do not see spirits in any way. I only see the energy that surrounds us. I don't much like talking about this as it seems it's out of the ordinary.
Indeed, I see what some people might call the aura of a person. To give a description, it is always coloured and moves like a gas around a person. Meditation has given me the ability to further my knowledge about what it was that I saw. I am now able to control it, move it and send it; to move it towards trouble places to do good.
Notice I am not talking about some god and not talking about beleiving in anything; I am talking about experiences I have and that I am sharing with you.
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