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American Civil Liberties Union: Attacker of Freedoms
American Civil Liberties Union: Attacker of Freedoms
In 1781, Thomas Jefferson spoke these words that are engraved on the Jefferson Memorial in Washington D.C., “God who gave us life gave us liberty. Can the liberties of a nation be secure when we have removed a conviction that these liberties are the gift of God?”. What would Jefferson think of the instance at McKinley High School in Honolulu Hawaii? A poem was recited at special ceremonial occasions since 1927. However one line mentioned a love for God, and the ACLU caught wind of this. After the ACLU threatened to sue the school, administrators banned the poem. A seventy-five year tradition ended in just a couple weeks. Thomas Jefferson also said, “The Constitution . . . is a mere thing of wax in the hands of the judiciary, which they may twist and shape into any form they please”. It’s as if Jefferson could see the future, as this is precisely what the ACLU and other smaller groups like them aim to do. They accomplish their goals by suing school boards, cities, and towns in order to shape the country into the America they want. The worst part of it is that they have the means and the money to do it.
The American Civil Liberties Union (ACLU) of the past was an organization that stood for justice and freedom, but as of late the ACLU is forcing a political agenda using the courts and their vast amounts of money generated by private donations. The ACLU believes and fights for some things that most Americans would not agree with. The ACLU believes any and all abortions should be legal, keep in mind that this includes a thirteen-year-old girl having an abortion. And, not only do they believe this young girl should get an abortion, but they say she should do it without the doctors informing her parents. They believe polygamy should be legal, they also believe child pornography should be legal and readily available. They believe in leaving the U.S. borders open for anyone to walk into the country, which is not safe in this day and age. Roger Baldwin, the founder of the ACLU, said, “I am for socialism, disarmament and ultimately abolishing the state itself as an instrument of violence and compulsion. I seek social ownership of property and the abolition of the propertied class”. The ACLU is one of the most dangerous organizations to the freedom and safety of America. “It’s quite apparent the American Civil Liberties Union wants a brand new America. In the past, the American Civil Liberties Union has fought strongly for the freedoms of all Americans, however lately, the ACLU is pushing a more political agenda.
The American Civil Liberties Union was created to protect the civil liberties of all Americans. The ACLU of the early twentieth century was truly looking out for the people.
The ACLU’s creation stemmed out of the minor social unrest caused in America after the United States joined the fight in World War I. The media in America was largely keeping silent about the unrest due to government intervention. The New York Times warned the critics of the war that “jails are waiting for them,” in a July 4, 1917 editorial. Roger Baldwin, a critic of the war himself, thought this was wrong and let everyone know it. He first started the National Civil Liberties Bureau (NCLB), which later turned into the American Civil Liberties Union (ACLU). In the years after its creation the ACLU has fought many cases that have led to great strides in social reform. In the 1950’s, the ACLU fought against McCarthyism and in the 1960’s fought for civil rights. The ACLU also took on the extremely controversial 1977 case out of Stokie Illinois. In this case the ACLU defended American Nazi leader Frank Collin. This was a classic First Amendment case, where the unpopular have to fight for their right to speak. These cases of the past set a strong foundation for what the ACLU was all about, defending those who cannot defend themselves. This was a great motto for the ACLU to live by.
One of the major crusades by the ACLU is against religion. The Establishment Clause of the Constitution is one of the most controversial phrases in the whole document.
After the highly televised and controversial Alabama Ten Commandments case, cases like it have sprung up all over the country. Judge Roy Moore started everything in 2003, when he refused to take down a statue of the Ten Commandments in his courthouse in Alabama. When he was forced to, only about 20% of U.S. citizens agreed with that ruling. According to the American Civil Liberties Union (ACLU), the Ten Commandments displayed at a courthouse conveys a message of endorsement. In reality, the Ten Commandments have been a universally recognized symbol of law. And, a case in Texas recognized that fact when they ruled that the monument could stay as a presentation to state history and culture. ACLU attorney David Friedman in a case involving a display in Kentucky said, “An assertion that the Ten Commandments is THE source, THE foundation of our legal system…that is simply wrapping the Ten Commandments in the flag and that’s endorsement.”. Whether or not saying the Ten Commandments is the foundation of our laws is endorsement is open to debate however, that statement is correct. The U.S. was founded on Judeo-Christian philosophy, which is hard to dispute when almost every one of the delegates writing the Constitution was Christian. James Madison, the “father” of the Constitution said:
We have staked the whole future of American civilization, not upon the power of government, far from it. We have staked the future of all our political institutions upon the capacity of each and all of us to govern ourselves, to control ourselves, to sustain ourselves according to the Ten Commandments.
So, the Ten Commandments are historical, James Madison even acknowledged it.
These types of cases have happened all across the nation since the Alabama case in 2003. These cases have happened in Montana, Kansas, Kentucky, Georgia, Indiana, Maryland, Tennessee, Ohio and West Virginia. They have also happened in Plattsmouth, Nebraska, Everett, Washington, and Phoenix, Arizona. The 9th Circuit Court of Appeals in San Francisco California, who has been one of the ACLU’s biggest allies in their war on the Establishment Clause, has had a symbol of the Ten Commandments in its seal for over 100 years. This same court has forced Los Angeles to change their state seal after some one noticed a cross in the background, and banned the Boy Scouts from the city limits of San Diego. That looks a little hypocritical. Hans Zeiger, a columnist from Washington state says, “America needs the Ten Commandments,” and perhaps he is right. Banning the Ten Commandments would violate the establishment clause of the Constitution. Pete Winn, associate editor of Family.org, has said, “An Atheist can avert his eyes.” The fight over the Ten Commandment and the Establishment Clause is not over and there is no real end in sight, for now.
Another crusade by the American Civil Liberties Union in recent years is against the Boy Scouts of America (BSA). The cases against the Boy Scouts are generally ridiculous.
In the past, the ACLU has left the Boy Scouts alone. However, recently, the ACLU has gone after the BSA as if they were a plague on mankind. The BSA is currently the archenemy of the ACLU. The ACLU has gone as far as comparing the Boy Scouts to the Ku Klux Klan. The first case the ACLU brought against the BSA was in 1981. This case involved the organization’s banning of gays from their ranks. The ACLU challenged the BSA under the California law prohibiting discrimination by business establishments. Finally, in 1998 the courts ruled that the Boy Scouts did not fall under that law. Since the case only involved California state law, it was not able to go to a federal court, and the Boy Scouts won the case. Newspapers criticized the BSA for their policies. Liberal papers like the New York Times blasted them. In 1999, the Boy Scouts were forced out of San Diego and other cities on the west coast, simply because of their belief in a higher power. In July of 2003, a U.S. district judge ruled the BSA is a religious organization. The ACLU threatened military bases that sponsor local Boy Scout troops with litigation. Melanie Smith, a student and writer for a website out of Berkley California said, “The ACLU has yet to show how government sponsorship – if it existed – or funding of the BSA prevents the rest of America from practicing Catholicism, Protestantism, Islam, Judaism, Buddhism, or Voodoo”. The ACLU is telling the courts and media that the BSA violates the establishment clause of the Constitution. When in fact, in no way whatsoever do the Boy Scouts violate that clause simply by being on public property. Smith goes on to say, “The ACLU would like for everyone to think that a group must not receive any government support or approval if it holds a specific religious view. Humorously enough, this contention sounds like something straight out of Orwell’s 1984”. This is quite an accusation, considering it is against an organization that believes it is saving the country for a 1984-esque future.
In the San Diego case against the Boy Scouts, has to do with their use of Balboa Park in San Diego, California. The BSA started using the park back in the 1940’s staging programs to help the war effort during World War II. After the war, San Diego let the BSA “own” part of the park. The city of San Diego leased the park to the Boy Scouts for fifty years at a price of one dollar per year. In essence, it was a Boy Scout camp, though other groups could use it whenever they wanted. Over the years, the BSA has saved San Diego taxpayers enormous amounts of money. The BSA has spent millions of dollars developing the land into what it is today. Including thousands of hours of volunteer work done by the scouts. Anyone is allowed to use the camp. Even a Gay Festival was held in the park in 2003. Sadly, the ACLU doesn’t care that the Boy Scouts have been operating out of Balboa Park for nearly 100 years. They also ignore the amount of good the BSA has done for the city of San Diego. The city of San Diego also didn’t take these facts into account when they abandoned the scouts. The city submitted to the ACLU’s attacks and avoided a court battle. Currently, the BSA is fighting to get back into the city through the courts, and the BSA needs help paying their legal bills. Miss Smith also said:
The ACLU’s misguidance stems from the fact that it wants to believe that the First Amendment protects the government from religion, when in fact it protects religion from the government. The framers of the Constitution were religious men who wanted to be able to practice religion without interference. Ironically, it is not the government that is obstructing the free practice of religion; it is the ACLU. The group has brought multiple cases against the Boy Scouts on the basis of the Scouts’ private beliefs – what greater attack on religious freedom is there?
If the ACLU thinks having Boy Scouts holding food drives in San Diego is evidence of government-established religion, the ACLU may have a collective heart attack when it sees the statistics of Boy Scouts in Congress. According to the BSA’s website, “more than 50 percent of congressional members participated in Scouting”. Sixty-five Senators, and 199 Congressmen have been active in the BSA’s scouting program. Eight Senators and fourteen Congressmen have earned the BSA’s highest rank of Eagle. Senator Ben Nelson of Nebraska is an Eagle Scout. Of all the innocent groups of people to attack, the ACLU chose one that not only collects food for the homeless and teaches boys ethics and morals, but one that shapes the leaders of tomorrow. The Boy Scouts must be doing something right to have a majority of Congress former members.
Finally, one rather disturbing case the ACLU fights involves NAMBLA. The ACLU fights for NAMBLA fervently.
NAMBLA stands for the North American Man/Boy Love Association. It advocates “intergenerational sex”, which critics of NAMBLA call pedophilia. NAMBLA’s goal is “to end the extreme oppression of men and boys in mutually consensual relationships”. NAMBLA opposes age of consent laws and other forms of “ageism”. According to NAMBLA, “we condemn sexual abuse and all forms of coercion. Freely-chosen relationships differ from unwanted sex”. NAMBLA has also formed a prisoner program to comfort pedophiles in jail. One man, after hearing about NAMBLA on America’s Most Wanted, sent a request into NAMBLA in New York for more information. He received a pamphlet and a membership form, he also received hand drawings of young nude boys, and stories of men sexually abusing young boys. In July of 1995, the man received a magazine put on by NAMBLA with a disclaimer saying, “all nude models depicted herein are at least 18 years of age”. However the boys in the photographs looked between twelve and sixteen. He sent the magazine into the Attorney General of New York and he agreed. A long court battle in New York ensued which ended with a loss for NAMBLA. Sometimes the cases become much more personal for some families.
In 2001 a Robert and Barbara Curley filed a $200 million wrongful death lawsuit against NAMBLA. Their boy was targeted for sex by a couple members of NAMBLA and was raped and then murdered. The men had lured the boy to their car with the promise of a new bicycle. There were signs of a struggle in the car where it supposedly happened, as if the boy figured out what was about to happen and fought back. The ACLU defends NAMBLA under the First Amendment. The First Amendment protects speech, not the rape of young boys. The Curley’s attorney said, “when it comes to the commission of a crime, which is rape of children in this America, free speech doesn’t protect you,”. Charles Jaynes, one of the men charged with the rape and murder says he realized it was acceptable to rape little boys after going to a NAMBLA meeting. At the meeting he received pamphlets and other NAMBLA publications, which were later found by the police in his car. Jaynes said, “this was a turning point in my life… NAMBLA’s Bulletin helped me to become aware of my own sexuality and acceptance of it,”. NAMBLA has created a type of safe haven for pedophiles to act like they are normal and what they do is acceptable. As this is not the case, NAMBLA needs to be stopped from advocating the rape of boys and the ACLU should be ashamed of defending such an organization.
In years past, the American Civil Liberties Union has fought strongly for the freedoms of all Americans. However lately, the ACLU seeks to create their own America. They believe in an America where not even the Boy Scouts are welcome, but an organization that supports child rapist is acceptable. They believe in leaving the U.S. borders open for anyone to walk into the country. An America with the ACLU in charge is not a safe America for the children that will shape the future of this country. It’s not even safe for adults. In the words of Bill O’Reilly, “They say they are looking out for you. Don’t believe it.”
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posted May 06, 2005 05:25 PM |
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The ACLU seems to have lost the plot a bit in defending
NAMBLA. However, if they went after O'Reilly for being
a loud mouthed, rabble rousing right wing liar, they would win alot of backers.
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posted May 06, 2005 09:30 PM |
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Ok Wolfman,
I've read your discussion starter. Now let's hear what you think about it. I didn't see anything in it that you wrote from your own perspective. I'll say what I think if you do the same, deal?
And don't say this reflects your opinion exactly. No two people have the same fingerprints if you get my meaning. I was under the impression that you're as unique as the rest of us. Now let's have that Wolfman-touch that we've all come to know and love from you so much. 
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posted May 06, 2005 09:45 PM |
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Speaking of pedophiles and the boy scouts,
http://www.cnn.com/2005/LAW/03/29/scouts.charges/index.html
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posted May 07, 2005 12:40 AM |
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I've read your discussion starter. Now let's hear what you think about it. I didn't see anything in it that you wrote from your own perspective. I'll say what I think if you do the same, deal?
And don't say this reflects your opinion exactly. No two people have the same fingerprints if you get my meaning. I was under the impression that you're as unique as the rest of us. Now let's have that Wolfman-touch that we've all come to know and love from you so much.
It's funny, I was walking to class this morning and remembered when you tried to tell Svarog that he didn't write something he did a while back. And I joked to myself about if you would do this to me. 
I wrote this, Consis, no one else did.
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posted May 07, 2005 02:57 PM |
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Shiva wrote:Quote:
The ACLU seems to have lost the plot a bit in defending NAMBLA. However, if they went after O'Reilly for being a loud mouthed, rabble rousing right wing liar, they would win alot of backers.
Hi Shiva!
I agree with half of your statement. The ACLU does seem to lose its fire and motivation when it comes to defending the rights of child lovers and supremacist groups, such as NAMBLA and the KKK. Issues involving those groups are despised by 99.9% of the American public; therefore, the ACLU must pick and choose the issues it defends where the country may be divided but not united.
As for my opinion of the ACLU...I think it is an organization that focuses too much of its time and resources on questionable issues that do not affect most Americans. I believe they are doing more harm than good in some of the cases that they rush to defend. I also believe the ACLU diverts more of its resources to defending the rights of criminals, whereas it should be defending the rights of the victims. For example, if a person tries to break into my store to steal my goods and in the process suffers an injury, then they should not have the right to sue me for damages...which they still do. If they lived up to their title, then I think they should be aggressively pressing to defeat policies with a much larger threat to the peoples' civil liberties, such as the Patriot Act.
Now, for my disagreement...I think Rush Limbaugh would have been a better candidate for your "rabble rousing right wing liar." 
At least I have heard Bill O'Reilly criticize some of President Bush's decisions and even defend some leftist issues. For example, take gay marriage, where O'Reilly points out that nowhere in the Bible is it specifically written that a man cannot marry another man, plus the issue is not addressed in Moses' Ten Commandments, thus nullifying the religious right's use of "the Bible says" argument. If O'Reilly was pushing a pure right wing (or even Republican) agenda, he would dare not take such a stance or provide liberals any more ammunition for their arguments. I believe O'Reilly to be an admitted conservative whose agenda is to pose tough questions to his guests (regardless of party affiliation or social beliefs) and do something that many other hosts will not do, which is force them to answer the questions and address the issues. He is goofy and has his moments of conservative passion, but I still think he is much more balance than some of the right's major mouths, like Rush Limbaugh, Sean Hannity, Ann Coulter, and Glenn Beck.
As for Rush Limbaugh...President Bush could institute martial law is the United States, and Rush would boisterously point out how much better the United States is as a result due to the decreased crime rate. El Rushbo belives that El Presidente can do no wrong.
As always...
Love, Peace, and Happiness to all!
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posted May 07, 2005 03:45 PM |
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Heya Khayman. I agree, defending criminals rights seems
hard to justify, but I suppose the rational is that if
there is even one innocent person amongst them, it needs
to be done. Why a group that condones relationships with
children has any rights is beyond me.
By the way, I would classify Rush as more of a
hypocritical drug addict . All these guys speak
some truth at some times.
It's just the overt undertone(oxymoron) of moral
superiority that is so galling.
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posted May 07, 2005 06:05 PM |
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Khayman seems to have O'Reilly down pretty well.
But, you can't really put Ann Coulter in your list, because she is joking half the time. Read the article in TIME magazine about her, it was pretty interesting. I like her a lot more after reading that.
In the article she says most of the things she says is to amuse her and her friends. I make the same type of jokes all the time, though never hear because you people would freak out.
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posted May 07, 2005 09:52 PM |
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Wolf --
While I tend to generally disagree with your position concerning the "War on the Establishment Clause," I found this phrase particularly thought-provoking:
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The ACLU’s misguidance stems from the fact that it wants to believe that the First Amendment protects the government from religion, when in fact it protects religion from the government.
(See my e-mail to you for academic-oriented commentary -- Hope it was okay but you know what a mama-bear I am around you guys!)
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posted May 08, 2005 04:44 PM |
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QP applied to Wolf for his little mini-essay up there.
Very thought provoking.
Not being American I have limited knowledge of the ACLU, and as far as NAMBLA goes - there was an episode of South PArk with them in it - and I thought it was a made up group for comedy value!
Does an organsation like that really exist?
Peacemaker - if the e-mail was personal to Wolf do you mind posting an edited version of it? I'd like to hear what you have to say on this issue.
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posted May 08, 2005 06:10 PM |
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Mini-essay? This sucker's 10 pages long when edited for the class I'm taking. And that's without the title page, references and such.
I wrote this for a class, and everyone I talked to thought NAMBLA was made up too. The NAMBLA website was blocked on the school computers, so I had to do most of the research for that part of the paper at home.
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posted May 09, 2005 12:21 AM |
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Hi Asmo --
The e-mail to Wolf did not speak to the substance of his article at all. It was all technical writing style suggestions primarily with college prep in mind(writing technique is like a huge part of my practice). I will tell you the words "beautifully done" appeared in the e-mail though.
QP well-earned. It was clear Wolf put a lot of work into this piece.
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posted May 11, 2005 04:15 AM |
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Asmo and Peacemaker, let me know when you're done oohing and aahing over the structure of this unmitigated piece of trash.
I've got some words for this one.
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posted May 11, 2005 06:55 AM |
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Ditto
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unmitigated piece of trash
I couldn't agree more. That's why I'm still a bit shocked to hear that Wolfman wrote it. I didn't want to believe it was true.
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posted May 11, 2005 07:16 AM |
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Gootch wrote:Quote:
Asmo and Peacemaker, let me know when you're done oohing and aahing over the structure of this unimitigated piece of trash.
Damn Gootch, I had to bust out my Merriam-Webster for that one.
Nice to have you back! I'm looking forward to reading your insights. (Shoot me an email sometime if you like)
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posted May 11, 2005 06:37 PM |
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We're waiting.
Quit your whining and get to it, man. Nobody's stopping you.
(P.S.) got your IM but don't think you got mine -- see MSN)
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posted May 11, 2005 06:57 PM |
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Ignoring their obvious mistake in "supporting" this NAMBLA thing (if that is what they do; this didn't exactly strike me as the most academical article, and I've started to mistrust anything that's not ), I only have one comment:
Wolfman, you're saying that to you, the Boy Scouts' freedom to discriminate homosexuals is more important than the homosexuals' freedom from discrimination? If so, it kinda strikes me as odd...
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posted May 11, 2005 11:25 PM |
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Wolfman,
I'm from your neck of the woods. You know I'm a Texan living in Oregon. I was in the Boyscouts. I made it all the way to Life-rank. I needed 2-3 more merit badges and I already had picked out a reasonable service project. That's where it ended for me. But I never forgot the things I learned during my time at the camps and out performing community service. I think I learned a great deal about people in the way a lad should in my opinion. I also know my state pretty darn well. You and I both know that Texans and Okies have many similar common courtesies and usual customs. Their both largely christian strongholds and in turn both "red" states. One of my best friends while growing up was an Okie.
But you need to understand that America is not officially christian. It is 76% christian. Our laws allow for other such religions as well.
I think we need organizations like the ACLU because I've seen and been a part of some highly questionable religions that actually have the national anthem as one of their sermon songs they sing during sunday service. And on top of that I know of one religion that clearly states "We believe in being subjects to kings, Queens, and other such governing authorities". Those same religious organizations then send all their young lads at the age of 7 or 8 into the Boyscouts and then give them Boyscout leaders of the exact same faith so as to raise these boys on wholly incorrect notions of the need for a monarchical philosophy of church and state being integrated into one entity. This is the very sort of philosophy that our first president, may God rest his honorable soul, George Washington fought against in the revolution!
Without the kind of people that make up the ACLU, we'd have accepted a democratic state-sponsored religion a long time ago. But we didn't because the founding fathers knew this was essential to creating the kind of nation we have today. They knew that to ever integrate state and church would eventually lead full circle to one of our future leaders ultimately claiming a divine right to rule this nation. That is why we seperate the two. No leader of our country should ever claim God's will has sent him/her thus. For if he/she should do such a thing then he/she would be no different than the kings of human-kind's past where their word became law and even "infallible".
I think it's good that you've taken a keen interest in the ACLU. You've touched on a very important issue; people. The issue of people concerns the individuals that make up said organizations and their like. No matter where you go or what organization you come to know either directly or indirectly, you should always keep in mind that there is always a possibility of the corrupt few. No single organization is perfect. The ACLU is no different and no doubt has a handful of bad apples. But on the whole they do a good job of keeping churches from legislating their political agendas. And believe me when I tell you that they do this quite often; every sunday as I experience it. When I go to church(presbyterian) the pastor gets up on the pulpit and consistently blasts all sorts of politics that he disagrees with according to his translation of the bible. "The way I see it"...he starts with, and then goes into a detailed mental schematic of how we as faithful christians should go about doing ideological battle with such unholy poisonous drool.
That's what you should keep in mind as a voter. It's not which organization is perfect, but rather, which organization holds the most promise in your mind. Which party or persons might be able to accomplish that which is most important to you on a personal level. Remember Abu Graihb prison. I never once held it against Bush, Rumsfeld, or anyone on the cabinet. In my mind it was nothing more than a few select individuals of highly questionable integrity. They don't represent our military, rather, they represent that our military is made up of human beings who are anything but perfect.
If we as a country want the world(or ourselves for that matter) to think better of us then we must strive to do a
"good job". In the final analysis of the human spectrum you can only do your best. Some will and some won't. If enough people do their best then these folks represent the majority; thus representing a larger body of laws and principles; thus representing a country of nationhood; thus representing our beloved United States of America.
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posted May 12, 2005 12:52 AM |
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The ACLU does seem to lose its fire and motivation when it comes to defending the rights of child lovers and supremacist groups, such as NAMBLA and the KKK. Issues involving those groups are despised by 99.9% of the American public; therefore, the ACLU must pick and choose the issues it defends where the country may be divided but not united.
This sentence kind of pierced my eyes (rest of the thread was typical ultra-conservative "job well done"). Why, Khayman, I do think the purpose of this organizations is to pursue principles, not follow democratic consensuses, even in the face of impossible odds, and not only when 99.9% of the public supports/ denounces a cause, but also when full 100% of it stand united. So, ACLU mustnt selectively pick its targets based on public mood swings, but unquestionably support the right of democratic saying by all movements, in accordance with the provisions in the US constitution.
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posted May 12, 2005 02:07 AM |
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Minor Notes:
Boyscouts of America ~ A good organization with some bad apples. It's community and charity work far exceed and outweigh any implications of discrimination. Punish the few who commit a crime and leave the name its inherent integrity.
American Civil Liberties Union ~ Another good organization with a bit of derailing at current. It's easy to fall off the path of the straight and narrow when the country is divided. I say let those who disagree with their direction attempt to lead it. That should iron out discrepancies. It needs more balance.
former judge Roy Moore ~ Possible future leader of a movement seeking to incorporate christian church and the American state. Christianity is not a democracy. I think his judges seat might have added to his own sense of self-righteousness. I will never vote in favor of this man's push for such legislation.
Christianity and its role in American government ~ Unavoidable but not unregulatable. Freedom of religion is a constitutional right afforded all U.S. citizens. Congress shall make no laws requiring specified religious beliefs toward institution of any of the three American branches of government.
NAMBLA ~ LoL, nothing to say but LoL.
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