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Vidoja
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posted April 03, 2008 07:53 PM |
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Vote baklava for president!
(I haven't been here quite a long time because there are a lot of people who are insane and immoral. I wanted to congratulate baklava on his comic that won him the HC's got talent thingy. I quoted Nikola Tesla's words, and when I came to see his reply a day later, my post was nowhere to be found. I know the MODs don't like me (DON'T EVEN TRY TO SAY THAT YOU DO!!) but you can't just go around deleting my posts. So MODS: DESIST, STAY, DON'T DELETE!)
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angelito
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posted April 03, 2008 08:04 PM |
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Vote baklava for president!
(I haven't been here quite a long time because there are a lot of people who are insane and immoral. I wanted to congratulate baklava on his comic that won him the HC's got talent thingy. I quoted Nikola Tesla's words, and when I came to see his reply a day later, my post was nowhere to be found. I know the MODs don't like me (DON'T EVEN TRY TO SAY THAT YOU DO!!) but you can't just go around deleting my posts. So MODS: DESIST, STAY, DON'T DELETE!)
Penalty applied coz of personal insult.
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1) NO insults, abuse, racism or sexism.
Insult is a remark that undermines another person. A simple way to avoid insulting people is to discuss their actions and opinions rather than their personality. For example: instead of saying who they are ("you suck" or "you are an idiot") say what you think about their opinions/actions and why ("Your post about me is wrong because I never said that heroes 4 is a bad game" or "I disagree with your opinion because centaurs have more hit points than gnolls"). This simple rephrasing strategy can resolve many conflicts and fights before they even happen, both online and in life.
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baklava
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posted April 03, 2008 08:09 PM |
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Actually it wasn't a personal insult, Vidoja didn't mention anyone personally in this post.
I think you're a bit easy on the -qp trigger for some people Angelito. And a bit too hard on it for some other people.
But that is just my humble opinion, I suppose.
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baklava
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posted April 03, 2008 08:14 PM |
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And now how our "friends" and "allies" ask from Greece to say yes to the invitation of F.Y.R.O.M.Remember if they have taken the invitation we would be then allies.Right?Well how much possible is for Greece to have an ally like F.Y.R.O.M an ally who claims that Greece is a country of neonazis and fascism?A country who made a genocide(#$#@$!#!$@) to them after the balkan wars?That's what they claim.And afterall some of the allies believe that an invitation would stabilize the area.
Ah. But behold, the wonders of diplomacy... 
See, attitudes of countries tend to change and adapt to newer circumstances a lot. Besides, an alliance could indeed do nothing but help ensure stability and diminish any possibility of a larger conflict of some sort.
For example, I would gladly enter an alliance with Croatia, Bosnia and other countries. Why not. The past is the past, if there can be friendship in the future why diminish it because of lies of some people who used them for profit and personal gain?
But again, that is just my opinion on the matter.
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angelito
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posted April 03, 2008 08:16 PM |
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Calling members of HC insane is a personal insult for me. Even if he doesn't name them by their nick.
And he was warned many times about his behaviour. In HCMs and in public. If he doesn't want to change, he has to face the consequences.
And the "easyness" on the penalty trigger is no personal decision baklava...it is ruled by the CoC.
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baklava
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posted April 03, 2008 08:20 PM |
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I've been called names a few times too around here. Personally. And worse names than "insane" and "immoral".
But CoC didn't feel like ruling at that moment, I guess.
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Vidoja
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posted April 03, 2008 08:23 PM |
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ANGELITO IS A SERB HATING MANIAC! HE KISSES ALBANIAN BUTT!! Penalties, rain, rain, rain... 
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angelito
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posted April 03, 2008 08:25 PM |
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I've been called names a few times too around here. Personally. And worse names than "insane" and "immoral".
Where? Can u give a link? I for sure missed that...or I would have reacted of course....the CoC is the same for any member.
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angelito
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posted April 03, 2008 08:27 PM |
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ANGELITO IS A SERB HATING MANIAC! HE KISSES ALBANIAN BUTT!! Penalties, rain, rain, rain...
Penalty applied, personal insult. Also silenced for 2 days so he has the chance to cool down.
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Homam
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posted April 03, 2008 08:29 PM |
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@baklava yeah the past is the past.But you didn't mention an alliance with the strongest in the area..Mother Russia. I think it's because of the soviet union.But now Russia has nothing to do with Soviet era.Only the KGB ex-agent Putin 
@angelito i don't want to show you what to do and i can't do it..But give him a second(?) chance.You gave it to me few months ago.I had called you "blind".Unless if u want to penaltize me now :S
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posted April 03, 2008 08:46 PM |
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Maybe the next generations start a new balkan war to take their Macedonia
Oh come on.
They already have their Macedonia. Everything they can get is already there - a former Yugoslav republic. If it weren't for Tito, FYRM wouldn't even exist... In a 100 years, they'll be happy if they still own it, and it's not under the flag of a Greater Albania or something.
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You think the wars are just in far history?I bet you don't maybe I believe it but you are not because you lived the war. That's why because i don't want to live it and you don't want to live it again, I believe that the name dispute must over now.
That's how wars begin.
People are going on about how "they don't want a war BUT the dispute must be over the way we want it to be over".
And that "but" leads to a "but" from the other side as well, and after a few "but"-s someone hits someone in a bar, then someone shoots someone at the border and the next thing you know you're at the front with a rifle and a ridiculous uniform, asking yourself what the hell happened and how the **** can you get out of all that alive.
Most wars in history have begun cause people wanted to prevent them. And it's always the other side that has "nationalistic thoughts" and that is a threat to your integrity.
I've grown up in that crap. A few years ago I even believed it. It's a drug, trust me.
Don't let it consume you as well.
Well,and least it will not be not under the flag of Greater Serbia and ect.The serbian occupation jsut developed war and unrest.
It is not a matter of if but when Macedonia will be intergrated to NATO.As for F.Y.R.O.M,well hopefully the Greeks can be more liberal to Macedonia as they are their neighbours.
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baklava
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posted April 03, 2008 08:47 PM |
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Edited by baklava at 20:53, 03 Apr 2008.
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Lol ok, that second one was a personal insult
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Where? Can u give a link?
Here for instance, I (along with HoMaM) was called a racist. For some reason. Continuous provocation of several members was also made, along with several insults on national basis.
I am posting this link as an answer. I am not calling for anyone to hand out any penalties. I have sorted this out with Pandora over HCM already.
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yeah the past is the past.But you didn't mention an alliance with the strongest in the area..Mother Russia. I think it's because of the soviet union.But now Russia has nothing to do with Soviet era.Only the KGB ex-agent Putin
Who, me? An alliance between whom and Russia? Of what sorts? I didn't quite get you there.
If you mean an alliance between Serbia and Russia, it has several reasons, but they certainly aren't historical - on the contrary, Russia has been known to be in good relations with Serbia (and Yugoslavia).
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Well,and least it will not be not under the flag of Greater Serbia and ect.The serbian occupation jsut developed war and unrest.
Here he goes again...  What on Earth are you talking about?
Are you referring to Yugoslavia? The same Yugoslavia without which the FYROM wouldn't even exist today, because Tito gave it the status of a federal republic? Yugoslavia (including the Federal Republic of Macedonia) had been at peace with everyone since the end of WW2. And in the bloody break-up of it, Macedonia was the only federal republic (except Slovenia to some extent) that broke away peacefully.
Ask an average Macedonian about those times, and the current times. See what they think.
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Homam
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posted April 03, 2008 08:56 PM |
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I know Russia and Serbia has strong relationship.I want to believe that Greece has too even of our western policy.But i kno that our nations have strong relationships.We have the same church.Orthodox even i'm not that religious.But here in Greece we are very disappointed with the west especially from U.S.A. I hope to an active role of Russia in all levels just to put a "stop" to the Bush plans for the Balkans.(see kosovo and F.Y.R.O.M for us who supports them so much)
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angelito
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posted April 03, 2008 09:00 PM |
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Ok guys. Stop arguing here. This is what the OSM feedback thread was made for. Go there and write down what u have to say.
Stay on topic here please (macedonia), everything else won't be tolerated anymore from now on.
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posted April 03, 2008 09:01 PM |
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Well how much possible is for Greece to have an ally like F.Y.R.O.M an ally who claims that Greece is a country of neonazis and fascism?A country who made a genocide(#$#@$!#!$@) to them after the balkan wars?That's what they claim.And afterall some of the allies believe that an invitation would stabilize the area.
How we can built trust and alliance relationships with a country like that or how they want to built such relationships with a country like Greece.Because to their minds we are their enemies.
Oh man.
This is SO wrong.
Look at this one: You know what Ukrainian Insurgent Army did to Poles in second world war? They entered our lands when we were attacked from both sides and committed series of horrible genocides that made the Nazis look timid. I know all wars have had stuff like that, but this one was deliberately aimed at civilians, just out of hatred.
And did Poland alienate itself from descendants of people who impaled polish infants to trees? No. We supported and helped them on the time of the Orange Revolution, and considered them allies, despite the genocide. Why?
Because we can't judge the whole nation because of a group of racists. (Well, their army wasn't a tiny group of rascists, but nvm.)Because Ukraine is in fact our ally, and we can't blame them now, and there is no point in it.
Even if Ukraine never admitted that Ukrainian Insurgent Army murdered 200.000 polish civilians with extreme violence (no joke, check the documents, it's horrifying what those poeple did.), and in fact they said UIA was fighting for Ukrainian independence and were honorable (ROTFL!), we never considered Ukraine our foe. And we won't.
Yes, some racists defiled the Greek flag, and portrayed your people as Nazis. Does it mean Greece should consider Macedonia a foe? Hell no. There are issues your countries should get around, but with your kind of thinking, HoMaM, you will keep blaming them and they will keep blaming you. And it will lead to nothing. It's not the right way.
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Homam
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posted April 03, 2008 09:17 PM |
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Well how much possible is for Greece to have an ally like F.Y.R.O.M an ally who claims that Greece is a country of neonazis and fascism?A country who made a genocide(#$#@$!#!$@) to them after the balkan wars?That's what they claim.And afterall some of the allies believe that an invitation would stabilize the area.
How we can built trust and alliance relationships with a country like that or how they want to built such relationships with a country like Greece.Because to their minds we are their enemies.
Oh man.
This is SO wrong.
Look at this one: You know what Ukrainian Insurgent Army did to Poles in second world war? They entered our lands when we were attacked from both sides and committed series of horrible genocides that made the Nazis look timid. I know all wars have had stuff like that, but this one was deliberately aimed at civilians, just out of hatred.
And did Poland alienate itself from descendants of people who impaled polish infants to trees? No. We supported and helped them on the time of the Orange Revolution, and considered them allies, despite the genocide. Why?
Because we can't judge the whole nation because of a group of racists. (Well, their army wasn't a tiny group of rascists, but nvm.)Because Ukraine is in fact our ally, and we can't blame them now, and there is no point in it.
Even if Ukraine never admitted that Ukrainian Insurgent Army murdered 200.000 polish civilians with extreme violence (no joke, check the documents, it's horrifying what those poeple did.), and in fact they said UIA was fighting for Ukrainian independence and were honorable (ROTFL!), we never considered Ukraine our foe. And we won't.
Yes, some racists defiled the Greek flag, and portrayed your people as Nazis. Does it mean Greece should consider Macedonia a foe? Hell no. There are issues your countries should get around, but with your kind of thinking, HoMaM, you will keep blaming them and they will keep blaming you. And it will lead to nothing. It's not the right way.
It's not the right way.But if you watch the news about F.Y.R.O.M (which you don't because i don't think it's important issue in your country) you will find out that the whole nation from Government and the whole press till the last citizen of their country hate us.Some do it bc are propaganda's victims some others from nationalism some others because they are poor and they need someone to blame but the whole nation hate us and i don't feel comfortable of that because we haven't had such relationships few years ago.And i want them as friends and they want us as friends because we are neighboors afterall and we need each other.But now we start to hate them too in Greece of it's nationalism.Because what nationalism brings is more nationalism in all sides.Just to mention one of the biggest F.Y.R.O.M's newspaper title : Greece our worst enemy..
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baklava
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posted April 03, 2008 09:26 PM |
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YOU may go forward to talk freely to what any your conlusions may reffer but I AM GLADLY you are in no power to do any thing "Unpleasnt".
Well, I'm gladly too.
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But if you watch the news about F.Y.R.O.M (which you don't because i don't think it's important issue in your country) you will find out that the whole nation from Government and the whole press till the last citizen of their country hate us.
Oh come on dude, that's not true. None of the Mace... North Macedonians I know has anything against Greece.
The important thing is which news about FYROM you watch
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posted April 03, 2008 09:27 PM |
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It is not possible that Macedonian people (sorry that I keep using "Macedonia" instead of that Former Yugoslavia-something title because in Poland we call it simply "Macedonia" and it's the official name of that country in our language.) got brainwashed. It is simply not possible for a whole nation to start hating other within a couple of years without a war or something like that.
Media may be powerful, but it's not possible to control people's emotions and alternate their judgement in such way. Unless they have Helios on their side  (if you played deus ex you know what I mean )
It sounds as an excuse, HoMaM. No offence, but "They all hate us and we are poor innocent people" sounds BS to me. We already have "Muslims are not terrorists" thread. I don't think it's necessary for us to discuss "Macedonian people are not Greek haters" because we know it's not that way..
That's a bit of a generalization, isn't it?
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posted April 03, 2008 09:30 PM |
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Maybe Baklava.I don't consider my self "mistakenless" or clever enough not to get brainwashed.It's just what they show us.But all these they show us are enough to make you feel the way i feel now and some millions greeks.But at least it's truth maybe not the whole truth but still truth
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posted April 03, 2008 11:29 PM |
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I think that Baklava has a point, but I don't think that the way the mods treat Vidoja is unfair.
People build a sort of reputation here in HC. The way you'll be treated is mostly dependent on it. On you. It's no like there's a member who is treated worse than others without any visible reason.
Baklava, since you don't insult people here usually, or even if you do, it's always with humour, when you do something small, your good reputation defends you from being punished. Vidoja, which often insults people, doesn't get that patience from the mods, and punished immediatley for everything he does.
Can you really say it's not his fault? Can you really say that the treatment of the mods to him doesn't match the way he treated them? If I were them, I would do the same.
More that his reputation doesn't defend him, it attacks him. The most frustrating part is proabably that it's harder for people to agree with his opinions. Yes, just because of his reputation.
To tell you the truth, I usually avoided saying my opinion in thread Vidoja was active in them, only 'cause I didn't agree with his opinions, and a person that doesn't agree with his opinions is immediately attacked. I couldn't tell my opinion only cause I didn't want to be attacked, so I stayed neutral.
I'm not going against Vidoja and his opinions, I only want him to pay attention to the hard situation he has created around here.
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