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KittenAngel
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posted November 10, 2002 06:42 PM |
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My veiw of the situation is:
1,) Rules are not being followed, and sever action needs to be taken!!!
2,) What is good for the goose is good for the gander, I don't think it is fair to punish one group of people, who toss and play, and not the other group who do the same and spam on top of it.
3,) Mods need to put there foot down more, and not let things just slide by. It is to the point to where I have slacked off on posting and even deleting or closing threads that need to be because everytime I do I feel like I have done something wrong. I am trying to make The Tavern a friendly place for new people, and it just seems like the more i try the more headache i get by doing so.
Just my view tho i could be wrong.
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the cat.
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pandora
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posted November 11, 2002 12:20 AM |
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1) What I think about the situation is...
I think the 'situation' wasn't horrible, but is snowballing into something ugly in a real hurry. The problem seems to have started revolving the moderators - some people criticized their actions and the others stepped in to defend them. The quality point system has been a big player in all of this, tho i don't agree with those who say get rid of it, i think it adds a uniqueness to the board. Anyways, as most have already stated, the community was split, there was lotsa fighting , lots of criticizing , in short lots of nonsense.
The situation now, has gotten worse. Moderators are acting as babysitters, or worse, hostile catholic school teachers ready to smack your hand with a big stick. Perhaps some of it has been an effort to make the community better.. but it's gotten a little bit out of hand, and if it doesn't stop soon, we'll lose a lot of great posters.
2) What I contributed to this situation is...
Well i made a thread called those little red stars.. i don't think i shoulda done that 
3) What others contributed to this situation is...
See #1 basically
4) What I think the situation should be is...
I think the moderators should stick to moderating, not censoring content. Nidghrin's post on how he sees fit to moderate the Lands i think is a great example of how i think the moderating should go,see here for that post. Of course the spamming part needn't be so severe in the tavern, certain spam is fun- the tavern should be fun!
5) What I WILL DO to bring about that change is...
I'll just try to stay out of trouble, and have fun 
6) What others can do to bring about change is...
see answer for #5
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Djive
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Zapper of Toads
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posted November 11, 2002 01:03 AM |
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The Moderator and Objectivity.
(warning long rant ahead)
Being a Moderator is tough job. You work for free and do all the dirty work. The pay is non-existent and the hours spent reduce your free time. Seldom will people encourage you and give you credit, often members will whine and complain about thing the want you to do. But you've accepted the work and want to endure the good with the bad.
There are things a moderator should do to make things easier for themselves and for the board. Most of these are so obvious that we usually take them for granted. Similarly, there are things the Moderator should avoid doing.
In my opinion there is one quality which the Moderator must honour to be able to moderate a forum in the long run. This is objectivity.
The FAQ/rules asks (Can I become a moderator section):
"Can you let go of your own viewpoint and judge from a neutral perspective?"
This is one of the most important things about the moderator if the moderator is to function in a forum.
The second thing the moderator needs to do is to fulfill the moderator role. For HC the main purpose of the moderator is to enforce the Code of Conduct. Other tasks include acting as a trustworthy and responsible person, act as a contact person for queries and complaints, maintain order on the forum, and act as a good example for others to follow.
So let's look at this a bit more what does this really mean for the Mod's behaviour?
The objectivity is the hardest to fulfill for it requires among other things:
- Never take sides in any issue/discussion that you moderate.
- Not agree with one person or disagree with another person because of what they've once said while acting as a moderator. (This is the same as taking sides.)
- Never make a judgement in an issue which is of subjective nature.
- Personal favours are not to interfere.
- Reward and penalize members equally and without any thoughts on personal favours.
Basically, a moderator never has an opinion in any discussions on the board. A moderator must be able to justify all actions done by reading the moderator guidelines and the code of conduct. If a moderator can't justify the action from these then no moderation should be done.
If a moderator is not objective, then complaints will pop up and become worse and worse until they are dealt with. These problems do not go away by themselves. Lack of objectiveness then results in the moderator not functioning in other ways as well.
If not objective, then the code of conduct is not properly enforced. Lack of objectivity very often results in the moderator is not seen as trustworthy by the ones voicing the complaints and is not responsible either because of broken trust. If the moderator has taken side in a conflict then the moderator sets a bad example for others.
Taking sides can also incur other side-effects which the moderator may not have counted on:
- People gets afraid of voicing their opinions, because the moderator is on the other en of the discussion.(Either fearing repercussions or insults from the moderator.)
- People leave the forum feeling insulted and disillusioned.
So let's look at what the other things means then.
Enforcing the code of conduct. Apart from what it says it also means that a moderator cannot make new rules on things that are not covered by the code of conduct. The written rules are the law, and only the admin has to right to change them.
The moderator can affect the code of conduct by using an option open to all members: suggest the changes of the code of conduct to the administrator.
While a moderator cannot change or add rules, the moderator does have a limited interpretation right, and this is possible because the code of conduct describes behaviour in so general terms. A moderator can for instance define how many messages you need to send in before you get warning/penalty for spamming and another example in our forum is rules for what the moderator considers worthy of quality points.
Maintaining order in the forum requires the moderator to act in such a way that conflicts are solved, but also for the moderator to use the mod tools to keep the forum orderly and clean. The code of conduct lists a number of items that moderators are to look for and delete as they arrives.
Because the moderator role includes being a contact person, the moderator cannot choose to ignore anyone while acting as a moderator. Ignoring or belittling someone's opinions or efforts are not allowed. As mentioned before, the moderator is not supposed to have an opinion to begin with.
Acting as a good example for others to follow means many things. Following the code of conduct when posting as a normal member is the first one. Being helpful, friendly and open to everyone is another. A moderator should be honest and answer questions if at all possible. A moderator should never make a joke as a reply to a seriously meant question.
A moderator can also act a normal member. Normally, this doesn't cause any problems because it is clear from the context whether or not the moderator is moderating or posting as a member. If there is any possibility for ambiguity then the moderator should be clear if the mod hat is on or off. When posting as a normal member the moderator can have subjective opinions, but should still act in a way which is trustworthy and responsible.
Moderators should try to be more visible and do soft moderating.
With visible I mean posting to the list instead of sending an IM. By posting moderating actions to the list, you give visibility to your actions and acts as a leader of the forum. (Some things are better over IM, but overall posts are better.)
With soft things I mean:
- Ask members to clean up their own mess. Give them a day or two. Many members respond to this in the desired way.
- Ask members to cease a discussion which is bringing a topic off-topic. Mod can also ask them to remove their own off-topic posts. Some members will do so others will leave it to the janitor (=Mod) to delete.
- In a chit-chat thread. Let the chit-chat die out the normal way. When the thread has gone a few weeks or so without posting, delete it. (Normal clean-up of the forum.)
What I don't consider soft:
- Editing a member's post.
- Closing an active thread.
- Deleting an active thread.
- Applying penalties without any prior warning.
Soft is not always the way to go, but it won't bring any good to be harder than the situation requires. Moderators are more to be seen as stewards than dictators for the forums they moderate. This means that moderators needs to listen to what the members want. The forum is primarily what the members make of it, not what the moderators make of it.
Soft way also includes showing humility and apologizing for made mistakes, and if two parties have made faults the moderator side should be the first one apologizing. (The moderator is to set a good example and that means going first.)
In my opinion rules are overall being followed by members, and also by moderators. However a member breaking a rule is usually a small problem whereas a moderator breaking the rules is a much bigger problem.
The above is my subjective opinion on moderator behaviour. It is not shared on all counts by the other moderators.
This post has been purposefully cleared of all names, so as to not point out any moderator in particular. I'm not judging any Mod with this post.
The cause of our problems: There has been several breaches of moderator objectivity. It didn't start out that way but it's the situation facing us.
PS. I've sent an E-mail to Valeriy with the structure he requested. I didn't think it was a good idea posting the contents of that E-mail here.
PPS. There is nothing wrong with the QP system. It's just another Mod Tool. If the QP system hadn't been in place mods would be calling for bannings instead of issuing penalties.
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"A brilliant light can either illuminate or blind. How will you know which until you open your eyes?"
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Sir_Stiven
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posted November 11, 2002 11:20 PM |
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So here they finally are: Stefans thoughts/view about all of this - and only Stefans thoughts...not what other members thinks his views are 
1)What I think about the situation is...
As some of you might have noticed i havent been posting at all lately, i reckoned that if i was to give this thread a really good thoughtful reply i would need some more perspective about things. And i really do think this thread needs these serious replies, because to me this thread is a great way to state your opinions about the situation and how HC can improve because of them.
And for that i would like to thank all of you who has posted in this thread and valery for starting it, for taking the time to make a thoughtful post here which hopefully means that this place will improve.
To start this post i would like to apologize to PrivateHudson and Conn. Because as i see it now you are as Conn has stated earlier just standing up for your friends, and in RL i would do the same. No matter how wrong i may think they are, since they are my friends i will stand up for them and i reckon that shouldnt be something to blame Hudson and Conn for doing either. That should be something to admire. I guess the reason im not always sticking up for my friends here is because i really really want this place to be a better one, and because of that i will state my views no matter what they are about...because it is much easier to make a difference here then in "the real world". But as i said, i really cant blame you Conn and PH for standing up for your friends no matter what. And for that, im sorry.
I would also like to apologize to all the people that more or less had to see all this fighting. This was not my idea of how all of these things was to turn out. But as things has turned out i have becommen a voice thats speak up for people that is alittle afraid to do so. Unfortunately sometimes i can be very clumsy with words and some threads turned out nowhere as i wanted them to be because of it
for that you have my sincere apologies.
One thing i would like to state here is that this is not some kind of a popularity contest between me and hexa, i would never want it to be either. What i do want this place to be is a place where you can state your opinions and they will be listened to and accepted, no matter how wrong you may think the opinion is. Which member that states them shouldnt matter either, and i think you should be able to always say whats on your mind without being accused of picking/changing/deserting sides and maybe there after get treated differently.
As some of you might have noticed there was alot of fighting about a week ago when i was a really active poster. And for the recorded i want it written that i tried to work this matter out in private first. I tried to open a discussion with first romana, but as she stated in a thread earlier she didnt want to at that time. I also tried to solve this with hexa before this was to get all the way to admin´s attention, so i wanted to have an open discussion about this with him. But that didnt work out either, the reasons why i wont state here because its private between me and hexa but in my eyes i felt his "offer" was more of an insult then a negotiation. But now this matter have reached the public here, and in one way i also reckognize thats a really good thing since as ive said before, good things will most likely come out of this i hope.
How powerful the mods are to be has been a big issue the last few days, and as things are now i fully support that our mods should have more power here. Issues like Malice proved this well enough, you reckon quite fast when a member is only up to flaming here...when his made about 30 posts and atleast 25 of them is of a insulting nature the mods should have the power to ban him themselves... just one example about why more power to mods are needed here. But then another word also comes to mind and that is justice. As members in this thread has stated, for now HC lacks justice seriously from some of our moderators. And as much as i want to see more powerful mods here i reckon a change in the justice here is needed first. If this place if suffering this much from the injustice so far i dont want to think about what it could mean if more power granted to moderators.
It has commen to my attention that some people think there are some personal war going on between me and hexa, and i can assure you thats not the case atleast from my behalf. As a matter of fact, for now i feel kinda sorry for hexa. Because as things are today he is more or less the only active tavern moderator, and i can only imagine all the work that is put on his shoulders because of it. I also reckognize thats why some members here think im attacking him in person every time i point out something that i think could use improvement in HC...well thats absolutely not the case. As i see it this should not have to be an issue to start with either, if you are a moderator here you do have a big responsibility and i would not say that let one moderator take care of most of the work is. Today there are 4 moderators in tavern section, and how many of them do you see make "important" calls often? id say that hexa does, and to a certain limit kitten does too...as for the rest? nope. And concidering the posting frequency in tavern maybe its time for a change, atleast in my eyes there should be 4 active mods here so there will be atleast one of them online for the most of the time.
One thing im starting to get really sick about now is the always upcoming debate about me flaming the "n00bs" here. The way i see it the only person here who is really taking the time to get to know the n00bs is romana, and for the record which ive stated many many times earlier i think i am the one who has commen with the most suggestions how to solve the "n00b issue". And as far as i remember out of all of this it got more or less decided that we were to get "stickies" at this place for n00bs, and you would have to read the FAQ before registering. Atleast this was the answers i got before i kept my silence in that matter, and for now i am still waiting for those stickies... the must to read FAQ before registering i dunno about though since i havent registred any accounts lately but hopefully it has been setup.
And since we are talking about what i am contributing to our community...well ive had this discussion a few months ago aswell with a now former moderator. And at the end of our conversation as far as i remember we did agree that i had made most suggestions how to improve HC lately, i think i had 7 suggestions or something. Dont be to fast to judge me on what i contribute to this place without knowing the whole story first please.
This non posting time of mine here has as i said earlier given me a perspective about things, what it also have given me is the oppurtunity to see how this place works without me. And to be completely honest (which i can say ive always been here) the way tavern looks today kinda satisfies me. Off course not because of all the fighting here, but because that there still are heated discussions when i am not involved at all. Because i know that there are people here who wants to blame all of this fighting on me, meaning: If i wasnt around there would more or less be no fighting. But as you might have noticed that is not the case here. The thing is that there have always been people that has been upset here but has been afraid to speak up for themselves. As a matter of fact i would say that atleast 9 out of 10 times when i raise a point i know that im not the only one thinking this way. Not that it would matter, because i reckognize that i would still speak up for it...but because i dont want you to believe im doing this for some kind of an ego trip...im doing it because i feel it can improve our community.
Spending the last few days just reading i have found a couple of real nuggets, meaning quotes that i think expresses this situation really good in one way or another:
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Then again, one toss a day keeps the QP's away
/Nidhgrin from a thread in library to be found here
Maybe that comment wasnt meant as one of the most serious ones, but in my eyes it is just what is going on. If you toss here or you say something which some of the mods doesnt approve with you are "marked" as madmartigan put it in a previous thread. Meaning, you get ignored every time you try to say something or you get a "yada yada" as a reply. Unless you do something that could be interpeted as a bad thing that is, then you can count on to have a penalty over that post the next time you see it.
Quote from the CoC: "Can you let go of your own viewpoint and judge from a neutral perspective?"
To summon that all up, i think that some moderators here really cant see things from that "neutral perspective". And looking at this thread i know that i am not the only one thinking this way. I really do think that this needs a change. I am not saying we should replace any moderators here, but a slight change in attitude would be for the better of the message board. And that is something i would like to see happen.
As for the QP:s...well nidhgrin has mentioned one way we could change the system, and as i see it the QP:s should stay at some level. They are something unique as ive understood with this board and i think it should stay that way.
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hmm very strange...when i post "bad words" 3 seconds löater a mod is there to give me apenalty.
but when i have a question none of em even tries to answer. am i forced to insult someone in this thread to get a mods attention ??
/Motorschaaf from a thread in tavern found here
This is exactly what i am talking about, it is like if you have a question here it can wait..."hey, someone might reply to it...and if not...well its motorschaaf so who cares?" but if this post includes something that some mods thinks deserve a penalty you got it there right away. The way i feel about this isnt that some of the mods...or some regular members to for that matter doesnt really look for what the point of the post is, they just look if it includes something thats worth a penalty...and if not, "who cares?".
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Taking sides can also incur other side-effects which the moderator may not have counted on:
- People gets afraid of voicing their opinions, because the moderator is on the other en of the discussion.(Either fearing repercussions or insults from the moderator.)
- People leave the forum feeling insulted and disillusioned.
/Djive from this thread.
As for the first part of it, i know for a fact that this has happend and will keep happening if nothing changes. Im afraid that this place is more and more turning out to place where you pick sides instead of stating your honest opinions in some members eyes. And we have members here who fear not to be on the moderators side, just because they know they will get treated differently because of it. I dont think this should be the case and i feel that changes in hopefully just attitude is necessary.
As for second part, well i know that there are members here who some people are more or less trying to push out of here just because of their personal dislikings. I really dont want this to happend as i think it would be a horrible example to state that members can be removed because of other members high influence.
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Mods should be rarely seen or heard, their responsibilities should be to make things flow better. Their job is not to DICTATE content of poster's thoughts.
/Oldtimer from enough is enough thread.
As i see it the mods involvement here should be like a football referee. And the best referees youll find is the one that doesnt show themselves much: he is there to make the important calls and he isnt afraid to make them, and with that great referee around there is a certain flow in the game but you dont see him around at all much. And i reckognize that that "flow" is what we need here aswell.
As for the "dictate" part, well in my eyes having people to be afraid to write what they want because their fear of being "marked" is one way to dictate the posters thoughts aswell. And i think this is a terrible thing to happend since all members honest opinions is what this place is all about. To see each one for what they believe in, not what they believe in because they are afraid to believe otherwise.
and the last one:
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a community is not a family. its a bunch of persons who have one thing in common - we have the game homm... its just ridiculous to expect all to love each other - its impossible.
/Motorschaaf from page1 in this thread.
Nothing to add really. I think this quotes says most of it except one thing, and that is that i think its completely wrong to get personal issues with people if they dont agree on things...because it is as motorschaaf says: "its impossible". There will be critism and there will be people with other opinions here, that is just something to accept...not something to start personal wars of.
2)What I contributed to this situation is...
Well im one of the main characters in this, so alot in this situation is because of me. As for how involved i am i guess it depends on what you call "this situation", if it is the recent happenings here in tavern or if it is where it basically all started?
I reckon its just recent things the "situation" is about, if not id be happy to give my side of the full story in an IM.
But in recent thing i was involved by making a post about "friendly QP:s", which is basically what we are discussing here now too. And that thread sparked three heavy arguments im afraid, two were settled quite fast in IM:s after some posting in the thread...one of the fights even led to me starting a discussion with a member here which i respect alot today. As for the third fight i guess you could say it was in the air for a long time, this member started threads with my name on it literaly and i have been fighting with her...i can take responsibility for that, but as noticed if you check through recent happenings you will also find it that after a while i got sick of all this unnecessary fighting and tried to ignore her.
And as i said earlier, i do apologize for all the space these fights has been taken up and i do apologize for the clumsy way i am with words sometimes which have led to misunderstanding...im sorry 
But i am not sorry for raising these issues up for discussion since i think this is something that involves our whole community, and judging on content in the replies here it must have been something within "the real" friendly QP issue to start.
What i also want to point out though is that i am yet to start calling anyone here any names, i know that i can have critism for some people but then its never intented as flaming. Its intentended to be there so people can see what atleast i think could use some improvement.
3) What others contributed to this situation is...
Well it takes two to tango, and at first i was going to point out what i thought each one of members involved had contributed with...but that would be to personal. If you really want to know valery send me an IM and i will reply.
A feeling that has struck me alot lately though, is that how some members only intention with some posts is to try and start a fight with me. No discussion about anything or nothing, just pure making fun of me and a hope to try and get me going. I wont say any names, but look at one of these threads:Negative where it starts kinda early. Or Those little red stars... where it is much around the three last pages.
Add to that even threads which only intention is to get me going and you might get an idea where im coming from.
But what i also know in all of this is that more and more people has started to see this too, and is now speaking up about this more and more. And that is exactly what i want, people to speak up for them with their honest opinions... no matter if the opinion agrees with me or not, just as long it doesnt include any flaming it is always nice to see what other people thinks about things.
4) What I think the situation should be is...
A place where everyone can have fun and sharing their views about things no matter what they are (as long as they follow CoC that is) and dont get judged because of them.
What i want here is more justice...or better put, i would like the same justice to apply for all members.
I would like more active moderators and not leave the heavy work to 1 or 2 of them when it comes to tavern.
I would like more power to our moderators once the justice issue is dealt with.
I would like to see a semi admin or something like NightShiver says...since unfortunately you are not a very active admin when it comes to reading the threads here and such i reckognize we could use someone above the mods and still below you. And that semi admin would be a very involved, up to date, objective member.
I would like to see stickies for our new members, and a must of reading FAQ once registering.
I would like to see the floodprotect for editing posts removed since i cant figure out whats the use of it is.
I would like the option to delete a thread you have started removed since when it has other posters its not only your opinions there anymore and therefor you should have no right to remove it.
I would like an option to ignore IM:s from people that you choose.
There are much more i want too but i will edit them in once i remember them.
A flaming forum is one thing that has been up to discussion here. I believe that is not a good idea, in my eyes if something is to increase the fighting it is a forum like that. And for that matter i dont think the other forums here will have any great changes because of it anyway, the people will still come here and hopefully raise their opinions. And since its impossible to agree with everyone in this world on all subjects there will be things that members doesnt agree on and off course they are to be discussed here. I like these discussions as long as they are on a respectable level (meaning a useful discussion, no personal attacks and such) because if find it interesting to find out what other peoples views are on topics that interests me. And if some people cant control themselves during a discussion so personal flaming comes out of it we do have penalties to give those posts.
5) What I WILL DO to bring about that change is...
I will watch my "toungue" better.
meaning: I will try and find more suited words and try not to sound to harsh when i am to point something out. And i will off course try and stop to get in any more fights.
As for my suggestions above i will make discussions about them so i see how many people that does agree with me so i know if there are any point to bring this matter up to admin.
6) What others can do to bring about change is...
Continue/start to make themselves heard more, let the community hear what just they have to say...whats on their mind and no one elses.
As for our moderators, except for the justice thing ive brought up x times already i would like to see them to be more consistent and i would like them to be around much more and deal what the members bring up. As things have been now there are/has been "buy offs", closing threads while there still are things to settle to end the discussion, running off in conversations and not answering members questions. All of these are very serious matters to me and i would like to see these things improved.
I hope this post has been worth the time reading it, have fun.
/Stefan
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Aculias
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Pretty Boy Angel Sacraficer
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posted November 14, 2002 04:57 AM |
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An example of a reply getting deleted.
& without a reason.
So now is there a rule of not voicing an opinion?
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HeyYou
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posted November 14, 2002 07:30 PM |
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Aculias
"When all else fails, follow the directions."
~ HeyYou's grandfather, responding to a request to assemble a toy on Christmas morning after the instructions had been thrown out with the wrapping paper
Valeriy's Rules
Here are the rules for this thread:
1) One post per member in this thread. Any more will be deleted.
2) State your view of the situation and your opinion on what should be done.
3) Do not respond to what others say. We are stating opinions here, not arguing with each others' opinions.
Your reply was not deleted without reason.
~ I am in direct violation of #3, and expect my post will be deleted. I just hope you {Aculias} get a chance to see it before that happens.
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Sir_Stiven
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posted June 03, 2005 05:34 AM |
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wow atleast i found one thread that has some history to it.
im just bumping this thread now, im not intentionally breaking the 1 post maximum rule
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doomfreak
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The Crispinator
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posted June 03, 2005 05:43 AM |
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Bust I can post in here, I I wasn't a member here in 2002...
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Sir_Stiven
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posted June 03, 2005 06:09 AM |
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Credit goes where credit is due.
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would like more active moderators and not leave the heavy work to 1 or 2 of them when it comes to tavern.
I would like more power to our moderators once the justice issue is dealt with.
I would like to see a semi admin or something like NightShiver says...since unfortunately you are not a very active admin when it comes to reading the threads here and such i reckognize we could use someone above the mods and still below you. And that semi admin would be a very involved, up to date, objective member.
I would like to see stickies for our new members, and a must of reading FAQ once registering.
I would like to see the floodprotect for editing posts removed since i cant figure out whats the use of it is.
I would like the option to delete a thread you have started removed since when it has other posters its not only your opinions there anymore and therefor you should have no right to remove it.
I would like an option to ignore IM:s from people that you choose.
Was quite fun looking back on these things, obviously first has been covered.
To a great extent, also nr 2.
Semi admin no.. but valery is alot more active these days i think.
Stickies we did get.. still dunno about the FAQ on registration though.
dunno about the edit floodprotect.
And the option to remove a thread is gone.
Gotta say things has really improved
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pandora
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The Chosen One
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posted June 03, 2005 06:26 AM |
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Semi-Admin: doesn't exist but not only is Val more active, even when he is not around he has been very available to us should we need to call on him - so no worries there.
FAQ on new regs: Done! Members are redirected to the FAQ immediately after clicking submit on their new registration
Editing floodprotectless: Done! Regardless of red star count, any member can edit now without floodprotect.
As for IM blocking, doesn't exist - I believe that would involve a revamp of the IM system completely (i may be wrong)
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Sir_Stiven
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Legendary Hero
banned
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posted June 03, 2005 07:20 PM |
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Excellent.
Only remaining "problem" would then be IM blocker, but as for today i personally dont see the use for it anymore. At the time i wrote those suggestions it was very valid as one member kept sending me IM:s which i didnt want.
As for now the only weirdo IM:s i get a from aculias from time to time.. but those i can live with
So.. out of 7 suggestions i had 5 have been worked through, but do i get any credit for them? nooo
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Aculias
Responsible
Undefeatable Hero
Pretty Boy Angel Sacraficer
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posted June 03, 2005 10:04 PM |
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I dont even rememeber what Bort got all pissy about, I dont even rememeber him being human .
I rememeber a little of what happened those incidents lol.
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Svarog
Honorable
Supreme Hero
statue-loving necrophiliac
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posted June 08, 2005 01:30 AM |
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Quote:
So.. out of 7 suggestions i had 5 have been worked through, but do i get any credit for them? nooo
Would, say.. 5 Qps be satisfying enough?
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The meek shall inherit the earth, but NOT its mineral rights.
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angelito
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Undefeatable Hero
proud father of a princess
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posted June 08, 2005 12:25 PM |
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To be honest, i would have given a red star to Sir_Stiven for his long post on this page.
Liked to read it...and i think it´s one of the rare posts from him without the word "n00b" in it...
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Dragon_Slayer
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Supreme Hero
toss toss toss
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posted June 19, 2005 12:41 PM |
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It is one might big post. I would read it all but... yea, just too much of an eyesore
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