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posted October 24, 2023 11:39 PM |
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Geny said:
@Kayna
Except we're not talking about a 1v1 fight where the weaker fighter "cheated" by kicking his opponent in the balls, i.e. hitting military targets in an unconventional way. We're talking about the weaker fighter using break between rounds to go to his opponent's house and shooting his infant child in the head. No amount of underdog sindrome makes this even remotely understandable.
If a russian family demolished my hometown, deported or executed the people who didn't agree and erected a russian one in its place, what would I do? Move to Lappland? Say yes, it's very nice you and your nukes now rule that town? No I'd probably blow up the whole joint with their unborn kids included and loose no sleep over it.
So when the Hamas want to deport and execute the israeli jews I can understand their point. They're invaders, occupiers and oppressors. Those people deserve nothing. That said you are the unborn kid in this scenario. Once you grows up in that town it's your hometown too and you are also completely in the right defending it.
That's where the situation is right now. The people responsible for the original crimes against humanity who created israel are dead or decrepit. The ones fighting now are their children. The problem is that these children keep turning out just like their parents and doing the same thing. So don't be a part of the problem. You have the power to not repeat this.
If you do however decide to keep going about the ethnic cleansing path make sure you get every last one. Because it is not you but your granchildren who will pay if you don't.
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posted October 24, 2023 11:54 PM |
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You would blow up the whole joint? Fair enough. Would you also rape half the women you find there? Would you also shoot an elderly woman in the head? Would you also torture parents in front of their children? Would you also tie a parent and a child together and set them on fire to burn alive?
This was NOT a military assault. This was a brutal, savage massacre. I fully understand that the situation in Gaza is not a simple one. I fully understand that their anger and frustration come from a very real source. I fully understand their wish to hurt Israel and it's people. I do not understand people that make excuses for the kind of atrocities that were committed on October 7th.
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posted October 25, 2023 03:37 AM |
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October 7th has zero valid justification. It was a Bronze Age slaughter by nihilistic rapists who were trained to hate and kill before they hit puberty. But there is also nothing to do about it at this point. They can't res the murdered infants. Have funerals, mourn, provide aid and compensation to the families, and then do something about the hostages that are still alive and about the threat of Hamas.
And right now, the coalition government’s way of doing something about Hamas is to drop a lot of bombs very quickly with a lot of collateral damage (also known as a lot of dead people). It is the sort of response a person would expect from a government and from a PM who is to some extent panicking because there was a huge security breach under their watch (the biggest in the country’s history) and now they are scrambling to regain legitimacy in the eyes of the public. And let’s be honest: Hamas knew this all along. They are not surprised by the consequences of what they did. They are not looking at the upcoming ground invasion with their mouths gaping open in surprise. This is exactly what was supposed to happen.
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posted October 25, 2023 05:24 AM |
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@Joonas
What they did wasn't really about territorial gain/regain though, or if it was, it was a secondary motivation. It is more accurately a blood feud, i.e. "a lengthy conflict between families or groups involving a cycle of retaliatory killings or attacks."
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posted October 25, 2023 06:27 AM |
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Geny said:
I do not understand people that make excuses for the kind of atrocities that were committed on October 7th.
I have not seen a single post here justifying the actions of Hamas. Condemning the actions of Hamas does not mean justifying the madness committed by Israel. However, I would agree that a peace-loving policy on the part of Israel in the current conditions would be akin to suicide. The best thing would be the introduction of peacekeeping troops, with real powers and greater military capabilities (I agree with artu about the peacekeepers).
Essentially you are repeating the same nonsense as your government. A country that behaves like a small hysterical child has no future.
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posted October 25, 2023 06:48 AM |
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Accusing someone of justifying is absolutely stupid. Nobody does it when explaining a standard subject but any conflict with 2 or more sides? That's when that accusation shows up all the time.
If you just try to connect dots, it qualifies as justifying, so if you don't want to justify anything, all you can do is look at the sad event presented to you and be sad about it. It prevents all forms of connections from dots, which prevents all forms of intelligent opinions to be stated, which is why accusing someone of justifying is, at it's core, stupid.
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posted October 25, 2023 06:50 AM |
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When people say they would also kill Israelis if they were living in Gaza, they are making excuses for October 7th. When the snowing head of the UN says this massacre wasn't done in a vacuum, he makes excuses for October 7th. Generally, all those words might have been true, but in the context of when they are said, it is maddening to hear them from civilized people.
I agree that a long term solution is needed. I agree that one possibility is an international peacekeeping force. But whatever the solution will be, before it's implemented, Hamas leadership and infrastructure needs to be demolished. Regrettably, a task of that scale comes with a large number of non combatants killed in the process. I do regret that, although I will also admit that most my sympathy is used up on the dead and kidnapped Israelis and their families.And believe it or not, IDF does try to lessen the collateral damage. But when the enemy is deeply embedded in civilian territory, the numbers will always be high.
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posted October 25, 2023 08:14 AM |
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I repeat that of the nearly 10 mio Israeli citizens over 2 mio are Arabs/muslims.
And the problem isn't, that Israel has been killing an unknown number of Palestinians in Gaza now, the problem is, that those "muslim brothers" - not the ones that count, at least - of the Palestinians in the other Arab countries never cared enough for them to do things in the Palestinians' interest, they did things only ever in the interest of their hate. For them the Palestinians never were more than a pawn.
Which is also the problem when thinking about how to solve this mess. There is no solution as long as a) Israel exists and b) thee majority of the neighboring countries near and far don't accept that.
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posted October 25, 2023 09:15 AM |
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Oh definitely. Hamas terrorists killed Arabs just as easily as Jews. Arab countries closed their doors to Palestinian refugees, in contrast to European countries that welcomed Ukrainian refugees. No one actually cares about the Palestinian people. At best, they care about the future Palestinian state, without caring about the current population. At worst, they only care about their own interests and use Palestinians as pawns.
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posted October 25, 2023 09:29 AM |
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Geny said:
No one actually cares about the Palestinian people. At best, they care about the future Palestinian state, without caring about the current population. At worst, they only care about their own interests and use Palestinians as pawns.
Then why are there so many demonstrations in support of Palestine in the world ? Palestine is supported by many native Europeans and Americans, despite the lying media. I think people really feel sorry for the Palestinians, especially the children.
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posted October 25, 2023 09:34 AM |
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@Geny
He said it because over 99% of people reading about Israel/Palestine don't live in Israel and it is not personal for them in the same way it would be for people within the country. And it didn't happen in a vacuum. Of course it didn't. Neither did the Ukraine war. There are reasons (valid or invalid reasons) for why things happen. They don't just happen spontaneously, like I wake up one day an elephant and another day I'm a rock. If you're not allowed to explore those reasons, then why bother having a conversation at all? There's nothing to talk about. The UN should just not talk about it.
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posted October 25, 2023 09:42 AM |
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@Ben
Do they care enough to do anything more than wave flags? Oh wait, yes they do, they also cheer for dead Israelis, mark Jewish houses with stars of David and call to "clean up" the world from Jews. The line between supporting Palestine and hating Jews feels a bit thin lately.
@Bliz
I do not remember anyone saying right after 9/11 that there are reasons for it. Making it feel like it was in any way understandable. No amount of context in the world makes those atrocities understandable.
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posted October 25, 2023 09:45 AM |
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The UN is biased towards the United States because the United States has a lot of power and influence and so the UN is going to be more careful in its language in the aftermath of 9/11. The UN is not a perfect body.
But yes, people did eventually talk about the reasons for why it happened and then what to do about it. They didn't just consider 9/11 to be a spontaneous event.
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posted October 25, 2023 09:54 AM |
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Eventually, yes. Which is why I repeatedly mentioned the timing of this. People are still grieving. There are still hostages of all ages being kept in Gaza. The wound is way too fresh. Speaking of some kind of context now is callous and it simply hurts.
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posted October 25, 2023 10:15 AM |
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Yes. Agreed.
edit: I will add, outside of Israel itself, there is the question of this potentially turning into a bigger conflict and how to prevent that from happening.
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posted October 25, 2023 12:16 PM |
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Who decides about Taiwan, Catalonia, and maybe Åland and Palestine also Kurds, etc.. Don't forget Crimea..
When if China falls and becomes a democracy that joins Taiwan. USA thinks so, we remember Vietnam and Korean war, USA is afraid of the bloc.. China's great fault no attacked against Taiwan, when they escaped to island..
If USA likes Israel, so you must accept Israel, not Palestine.. Upside the world hates Israel, now you see Hamas ruined their reputation.. So we can suggest to Israel a new strategy takes Palestinian little plot, if Hamas attacks against Israel again, and then Israel is waiting for new strike, it after Israel takes a little plot again until they haven't a country..
We are mental disorders, my bad!
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posted October 25, 2023 08:49 PM |
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Ok Recep Tayyip Erdogan and Antonio Guterres are disagree with Israel or the West.. Erdogan called Hamas is a "freedom fighter", and Guterres said "56 years of oppressive occupation", thus Hamas attacked against Israel..
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Kayna
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posted October 25, 2023 09:27 PM |
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Batwoman, she's a woman, and I respect her
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Ghost
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posted October 25, 2023 09:59 PM |
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Ok Israel said Nazi Hamas, but it reminds of Russia's Nazi Satanist rhetoric in Ukraine. Also on the use of the word terrorist in the US war in Afghanistan.
But Israel and USA are the warm relationship is long and deeply religious, at least American people follow Christian media than other medias are lesser..
Interesting news 
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Kayna
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posted October 25, 2023 10:28 PM |
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Did you know that the word Terrorist originated from France? It was applied on people that were fighting for democracy and equality
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