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posted October 12, 2023 06:40 PM |
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You seem to attach not much meaning to any term, sonsideriung your ramblinbgs. Babi Yar is obviously part of the holocaust, so why would I mention that separately? I'm not mentioning other terror attacks on Israelis before this actual one either.
And you are barking up the wrong tree, according to your master who ridiculously compared Hamas with Ukraine.
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posted October 12, 2023 06:44 PM |
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Again! The Soviet Union made a pact with the Nazis. Both are insane.. Propaganda? Victory Day! Blameless/guiltless style..
Ok you continue as normal..
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posted October 12, 2023 07:06 PM |
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JollyJoker said:
You seem to attach not much meaning to any term, sonsideriung your ramblinbgs. Babi Yar is obviously part of the holocaust, so why would I mention that separately? I'm not mentioning other terror attacks on Israelis before this actual one either.
And you are barking up the wrong tree, according to your master who ridiculously compared Hamas with Ukraine.
Oh yes, my master is great.
But don’t be so nervous, otherwise I’ll really think that I’m proficient in psychological manipulation, as monere wrote (in fact, I’ve always been a layman in communication, and I work as a technical specialist).
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posted October 12, 2023 07:11 PM |
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Re: caricature
Interesting that you should show beheaded Palestinians and children, when it was Hamas that beheaded Israeli civilians and killed toddlers, not even as collateral but straight up shooting babies.
Re: Babi Yar
I know about it. As do most Israelis. After the first massacre of Babi Yar targeted tens of thousands of Jews.
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posted October 12, 2023 07:16 PM |
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Geny said:
Re: Babi Yar
I know about it. As do most Israelis. After the first massacre of Babi Yar targeted tens of thousands of Jews.
So will anyone say anything about the Slavs ? Of course, I can sometimes get into trouble, but I really believe that we talk a lot about the victims of the Jews, but we don’t talk about the Slavs.
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posted October 12, 2023 07:24 PM |
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It is indeed horrible what the Nazis did to the Slavs. It is less talked about than Jewish Holocaust, because all the Slavic countries invaded by Germany were their direct enemies. While it didn't matter where Jews came from, merely that they were Jewish, even if they were loyal German citizens. Another reason is the scope. While some Slavs were sent to camps, most of them were meant to be slaves. While death camps were built mainly for Jewish population who were not deemed worthy to live.
I'm not trying to lessen the tragedy of the Slavs, but you asked why they are talked less about, so those were some reasons.
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posted October 12, 2023 07:37 PM |
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Geny said:
I'm not trying to lessen the tragedy of the Slavs, but you asked why they are talked less about, so those were some reasons.
May be. Well, thanks for the sober analysis...
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posted October 12, 2023 08:14 PM |
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A topic like this started by a pro-russian dude looks like massive hipocrisy and using lame whataboutism to drag attention away from Russian war crimes and atrocities.
But whatever. Here's something that should be posted every time Israel/Palestine is mentioned:
I believe Geny is Israeli, so he can confirm or deny the accuracy of those maps.
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posted October 12, 2023 08:58 PM |
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Salamandre said:
It's ideological, since the demographic argument is void, immigrants unemployment is 4 times higher and at the end of the year, the economy lost 50 billions or so. It's virtue signaling at continental size.
Look, if large scale immigration was good, we would have opened the borders long time ago, there are millions candidates and its safer we bring them here instead of risking life on boats. The fact that we struggle trying to come with laws mixing empathy and firmness, show there is a hoax. Optimal immigration should be "we need this, this and that", all others no thanks.
Economy going down (for various reasons including war) or ending up with jobless immigrants during the process doesnt change the situation that there are jobs immigrants handle and Europeans dont prefer to. And I already explained why having them without legal citizen rights is cheaper. Actually, had it been virtue signaling, then it would make much more sense to have them in legally instead of this messy way which sometimes end in fatal accidents.
Look maybe, there are other reasons as well but I just dont buy “virtue signaling at continental size,” sorry. It just doesnt seem plausible at all. Virtue signaling is an emotional manipulation, states dont have such emotions. And there is no political gain in terms of public relations either, most people are against massive immigration. So, there has to be some deep state policy, an angle, something calculated beyond the theatrics of every day political circus. Nothing else makes sense.
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posted October 12, 2023 09:29 PM |
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Virtue signaling is the main obsession, once you step out the mainstream will assassinate you, as they can.
Look, there was this Israel atrocity, we agree this is terrible and shocking and needs to be mainstreamed and talked about. But what we assisted in the medias, in the last days, is an ideological pogrom on french politicians, who said what and how. If one didn't follow the main narrative - unconditional support to Israel, which is "no questions, no context, no connect the dots", he is screwed, and even we have calls for condemning them in court.
We reached Soviet Union levels.
And that's about immigration as well. We already talked about years ago, you were naive and predicted populations will assimilate with time, will adapt and things will go for the better. Is exactly the opposite which happened, once populations enforce mass identity through growing numbers, they will secede.
But as soon as you point evidence, the old habits are coming, racist, fascist, islamophobe, nationalist, populist, the list of slogans to shut you down is endless. And is effective, if you are banned from discussions, your ideas die then the others become cautious. The last spasm of failing globalism is the censure.
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posted October 12, 2023 09:49 PM |
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Keep in mind that the right of asylum (against persecution because of things considered basic human rights in Germany, say, because youz are member of an ethnic minority, or because of a war) is - in Germany - written in the constitution. The thing that can be influenced is the declaration which countries are "safe". A safe country is a country officially declared as "not dangerous" for anyone, that is, the country generally protecting human rights.
Naturally, opinions on who is safe or unsafe in which country differs, and in times like these, more countries are declared safe than actually are.
Furthermore, people who come because the circumstances of living are better don't have any right to stay and will be returned to their country of origin, if possible, which is basically the reason why the EC is trying to get some agreement with Libya, because most boat people are coming from there and they are not wanted, but no one wants to let them drown either.
So in the case of Germany a change of the constitution would be necessary to be able to say no to people coming for asylum (from countries considered unsafe).
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posted October 12, 2023 10:03 PM |
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JollyJoker said:
Your second post is as shameful a thing to post after over 1000 Israelis were just killed
Agreed and penalized.
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posted October 12, 2023 10:25 PM |
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The cartoon is simply reflecting reality, over 40 years of free pass for Israel politics, no sanctions, no penalties, while any other country with so many international condemnations would have been pinned down in days. I will not post statistics about assassinated civilians on both sides, but anyone can look up and see how shockingly unbalanced they are.
It's bad taste to post it days after a massacre, yet the solution is there, without international decisive pressure on Israel nothing will change, we keep looking only at one side.
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posted October 13, 2023 01:38 AM |
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@Sal
Let's take everything you say at face value and assume you are not exaggerating. There is Soviet level censorship and pressure on the public and medias. What I point out stays equally true: For such a thing to exist, there must be same long-term state policy, a valid goal. What you are claiming is that a globalist agenda is enforced by some power structure behind political institutions and their only concern is virtue signaling. For what, to whom? Why would they even decide to make it an issue of virtue signaling if there is no economocial or political gain?
In case of Israel, they have unconditional support of U.S.A. and U.S.A has its Middle East interests regarding keeping Israel a regional ally, they also give trillions of dollars in military aid, so we do have an explanation.
Btw, my condolonces to our Israeli members, especially what happened at the music festival is really terrible beyond words. But it is also true that the situation is not sustainable as it is and Gaza is like an open air prison. It is mindless that they pick radical jihadists as representitives to react to that and this will only strengthen Natenyahu's hand, who I know, is considered by many Israeli intellectuals and journalists as a far-right leader trying to take Israel down an authoritarian road.
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posted October 13, 2023 04:32 AM |
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Doomforge said:
A topic like this started by a pro-russian dude looks like massive hipocrisy and using lame whataboutism to drag attention away from Russian war crimes and atrocities.
All atrocities are committed by the Nazi Ukrainian regime and their collaborators - the West. You are one of those who are driven by hatred, deceive yourself and others, and therefore look disgusting. So, given your near-zero level of knowledge and extremely simplified understanding of reality, you are "dude".
Doomforge said:
I believe Geny is Israeli, so he can confirm or deny the accuracy of those maps.
This is the whole point - dude called only one of the two sides to be an arbitrator. That's what you always do.
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posted October 13, 2023 06:54 AM |
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And you're any better? Shouting for Israel to "stop killing", while ignoring the massacre Hamas carried out?
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posted October 13, 2023 07:03 AM |
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Geny said:
And you're any better? Shouting for Israel to "stop killing", while ignoring the massacre Hamas carried out?
Perhaps we are equally bad. Only I admit it, and he, like all Europeans, will always consider himself a saint.
No, I am not ignoring the crimes of Hamas - I mentioned it here.
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posted October 13, 2023 08:40 AM |
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Salamandre said:
The cartoon is simply reflecting reality, over 40 years of free pass for Israel politics, no sanctions, no penalties, while any other country with so many international condemnations would have been pinned down in days. I will not post statistics about assassinated civilians on both sides, but anyone can look up and see how shockingly unbalanced they are.
It's bad taste to post it days after a massacre, yet the solution is there, without international decisive pressure on Israel nothing will change, we keep looking only at one side.
Yes, the solution is there, but every time it was on the horizon, the ARABIAN states have been ducking out. If they had the sense, Egypt demonstrated in the decades after the 6-day-war things would look different. As a state the minimum you want from your neighbors is that they officially accept your right of existance. As long as they don't you have to treat them as hostile and potential enemies waiting for an opportunity to destroy you. And after their history, the Jews coming to Israel to live there wouldn't let themselves bully by anyone again. Understandably. Keep also in mind, that the terror against Israelis and Jews has never stopped. There have always been killings, assaninations, bombs, planejackings, a rocket here or there ...
The simple truth is that the Aarabian States don't want Israel there and are not prepared to accept the existence of Israel.
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posted October 13, 2023 09:18 AM |
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Religious conflicts are irrational by nature. I always thought that after WW2 they should have started a country in ex-German territory as a compensation for atrocities commited against them. They would have been a small but rich European state now, you know, like Monaco or something. But noooo, they had to move to the Middle East where a population 200 times their size think its blasphemous for them to rule over their sacred temples, because they too have their "promised land from Ancient scripture!"
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posted October 13, 2023 09:45 AM |
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Moses failed.. And promised land means the future, when the God sends message..
Ok I don't support Israel nor Palestine.. I think a peace becomes Palestinian state in Gaza. How? Israel gives plot to Palestine gets larger Gaza, and then Palestine gives West Bank to Israel.. So it looks good.. Do you know an ugly Palestinian West Bank, if Israel builds wall to West Bank, thus Gaza is better place for Palestinians.
Remember Hamas won't stop a war before Israel stopped to occupy West Bank, etc How? Does Hamas trust Israel? I remember Yasser Arafat, when Israel and US were party his death..
The God doesn't help them.. Don't wait for Him.. Both are insane.. They can't make a pact..
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